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Distributed energy generation and distribution

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Existing project
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Distributed energy generation and distribution

Description
I have a project I am working on that would enable people to crowdsource energy and make money while doing so. Any of you cocksuckers and assholes interested in a collaboration?
Tech Stack
python
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  • 0
    Uh...are you talking about people generating electricity on their own?
  • 0
    @RememberMe yes currently I have talked to a few
  • 1
    @dronesawake
    So people have their own energy generation hardware? (Eg. A bunch of solar panels or financing a wind turbine somewhere)

    How does this compare to the massive economy of scale advantages enjoyed by large power plant companies? I mean, it's much cheaper to build 1 facility with 20,000 solar panels compared to 2000 facilities with 10 solar panels. Also, one large facility can be built in a place that is ideal for solar, you can't expect your average Joe to do that (just taking solar as an example, similar arguments for other types)

    Also, how will people get the generated electricity into the power grid in an efficient way? Large companies step up the voltage for distribution. I doubt the individual can do that.
  • 0
    @RememberMe in Africa, people in rural communities are using under 1.24Kwh a day, electricity generation and distribution has for years been done by larger companies, the vision by Tesla was to have electricity generation and distribution cheaper, independent and more efficient at almost no costs. I am working on Wireless Electrical power transmission *sounds crazy* but I believe it's a huge game changer if this is done efficiently. Feel free to call me crazy but I am going to build this and it will happen, it will enable you to crowdsource energy to power a huge device, it's not about an average Joe powering one appliance, it's about the power of crowdsourced energy. Participants of the energy network are paid automatically.
  • 1
    @dronesawake
    Uh dude. Wireless transmission is insanely inefficient because all the energy tends to leak around. Also, power transceivers are way more expensive than their wired counterparts.

    You'd be serving electricity at a much, much, much higher cost than if you found a way to connect a place to a large power generation station via good old wires. It's a waste of effort and energy if you can't solve the inefficiency problem. Crowdsourcing won't help you if your system leaks most of the energy generated. Economy of scale is a very powerful factor.

    Go ahead and do the math, I'm pretty sure it'll confirm the above. I'd absolutely love to be proved wrong though.

    @Condor what do you think?
  • 0
    @RememberMe I will be happy to prove you wrong, I still have the inefficiency problem. I am working on that. I believe marvel ideas don't need to make sense now, I very much believe wireless energy transfer is possible :)
  • 33
    @RememberMe thanks for the mention :)

    The solution is called solar panels and generators. Converting kinetic energy into electrical energy on the other hand is inefficient as fuck. Think about it, you need to grow food, harvest it, process it and then eat it. Your body then converts it into energy pockets which I think are called ATP, but I'm an idiot when it comes to biology... Anyway, then the body uses those energy pockets to feed your muscles. Those turn a generator I guess, and that makes AC energy.. but at a very low wattage. And then you have to deliver it somewhere.

    Kinetic energy is really only useful to feed a dynamo which can power your bike's light. Nothing else.

    Edit: also wireless energy transfer requires thousands of volts even over small distances of mere centimeters. Look into why the Tesla tower was a huge disaster.. for that exact same reason.
  • 0
    @Condor thanks for a refresher on my high school biology. The issue of the Matter is that is reliable energy generation and distribution that is decentralised possible, all based around the idea of being able to crowdsource small packets of energy that are combined to produce a significant amount of energy
  • 31
    @dronesawake of course, that's how solar panels work. My apartment building has them too, during summer they feed into the power distribution network (through wires, if I may add) and the power fed into it makes the counter on that power draw counter thingie (too lazy to look up how it's called right now) decrease, which makes it possible to go negative even. That can be converted into bills for the power distribution company or into power delivered to our apartment building for free, e.g. during the winter when the sun isn't available as much and the PV panels don't produce enough anymore.
  • 0
    @Condor let's think beyond solar home systems, think of this. We have about 5 billion phones in the world. We have 25 billion volts that we collectively have if all the phones are charged. Imagine you could wirelessly crowdsource about 0.1 percent of this energy from these devices. We will have around 250 million volts possible, not to sound like a crazy person but if this shit could work, we could have tremendous amounts of energy crowdsourced by anonymous individuals on a wireless energy grid.
  • 30
    @dronesawake how are you going to link all these things? If you'd like people to take out their lithium cells and connect them all in series, sure that could work but the capacity is rather low to meet with international demand. Especially since lithium cells can't be fully discharged - they start to behave weirdly when going below 2.7V. If you'd want a system like that for yourself, I'd suggest getting some 18650 cells instead. But that's gonna be DC instead of AC. I'm personally looking into inverter designs as well as power supply modification/creation to provide some jackass type of UPS into my server (by instantly switching to 18650 bank when power goes down, and put both of them behind some large capacitances perhaps).

    But the idea that you're designing is impossible to engineer. Why would you even want such a thing? The AC power lines which also came from Tesla (low frequency, high voltage AC carries better than low voltage DC) are really the best solution for power delivery.
  • 0
    @Condor you're a well read engineer! But a dreamer is all I can be, impossible is not a scientific word!
  • 1
    @dronesawake all those volts in phones must come from somewhere (and properly, you should be looking at energy, not voltage. Voltage is meaningless in this context). Phones draw them from the power grid, they don't generate anything.

    Forget battery tech and all that, your idea has serious problems with conservation of energy. Why would you want to put the power grid's own energy back by discharging phones, and that too at low efficiency so that on average, all your system does is lose energy?

    Even if you would want to for some reason, there's still the issue of current. Phones aren't exactly powerful sources of current, with the li-ion batteries you'll be able to run like a bulb at max. Not exactly useful. And wireless transfer also has this problem, it takes a huge amount of input energy to get a small amount of energy output, and those outputs are pathetic current sources.
  • 1
    @dronesawake look, forget engineering challenges and all that, your idea has to be compatible with the laws of physics and economics. If basic thermodynamics and electric physics says no, then it's a no, no matter how much effort you put into it. If economics says no, then your product will fail regardless of how good it is. This is something you do not fuck with under any circumstances.

    I suggest that before you get into designing your crowdsourcing programming and business plan and all that, you read up on thermodynamics and electricity, set up a basic model, and simulate it. See if you get the results you want.

    Then read up on the economics of power generation and see if your idea fits. If you can somehow provide electricity at cheaper rates than power companies/provide to areas without electricity, then you're good to go. Otherwise, nope.
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