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Ads are nothing else than manipulation. When you don't even care anymore about being manipulated and abused as a mere receiver for manipulative shit, you might as well just sell your delicate ass at the next train station bathroom until it's not so delicate anymore, because if your mind is not fully yours anymore, why not share your body too?

No matter who you are, if you just take the mental abuse that are ads, even though there are alternatives, you are:

1. helping and perpetuating this already exaggerated trend of manipulation
2. begging for more abuse
3. a worthless piece of shit

That's my opinion about you. Let's see whether it pisses you off more than being used as a mindless, spineless consuming meat-bag, because that would additionally make you a hypocrite.

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  • 19
    We can't avoid ads today. They're literally EVERYWHERE. I have decided to not buy anything I see advertised. If I want something, I would rather buy a product that is not heavily being advertised.
  • 19
    Everytime I see an ad, I instantly think of the advertised thing as a worse product, because good products don't need ads.
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    💜
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    @olback I did the same for a while, but when you think.about it, that's already an effect of the manipulation. Doing the opposite of what you're told is already not thinking about it anymore and thus no.better than just doing what you're being told.

    I try to avoid ads as good as I can. I use ad blockers, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't take flyers, etc. only if I see a real advantage for me. Keep.in.mind that it's mostly lies and exaggeration, use what you really need ('need' as in actually needing, not 'need' as the first world equivalent of 'want').

    But don't just take it when you're spammed, or annoyed or bombed with ads, fight back and make them work.hard for it.
  • 5
    @filthyranter isn't mouth propaganda a form of advertisement too? or do you discover all your products yourself?

    stores also push in specific ways, that could be also seen as a form of advertising, even for cheaper products, as those nowadays are produced without a label by the store itself, for people that are against ads
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    @filthyranter Yes, I agree! If your product is good or not yet known, unobtrusive ads might make sense, but why the fuck does Coca Cola need any ads other than firing out money so they don't have to.pay taxes on it. They're everywhere anyway, there is just no way not to know them, unless you're from some indigenous tribe deep in the jungle that has never even heard about the so-called civilization.
  • 7
    @JoshBent No, it's not. Mouth propaganda, unless you have a personal advantage in spreading it, is honest. Ads lie to you intentionally and in clever ways, exaggerate advantages, don't mention or play down disadvantages, plant ideas in your head, …

    There is a big difference.
  • 7
    This rant brought to you by Carl's Jr.
  • 11
    @Root This rant is sponsored by pure, utter hatred and misanthropy.
  • 2
    @AlexDeLarge Agree, but what also comes to mind: most mouth propaganda is the result of some advertising, be it in a long chain, but somebody got it just because it was advertised in one way or another, so it's not that far apart I feel
  • 8
    Fucking fucking fucking fucking thank you!

    And yes you're a guy but fuck it: 💜
  • 4
    Fucking thank you, couldn’t say it more beautifully.
    Take my ++
  • 4
    @AlexDeLarge I would not be that hostile towards adds. Look at it this way : most, if not all, information sources are biased and need to be compared, confronted in order to obtain something reliable. What's tricky is finding out how biased a source is.

    Adds don't have that handicap. You know they're 100% biased, that a product/service will be at its best in them. Kind of like an upper bound on a scale if you will.
  • 4
    @Commodore And that it's so heavily biased is one reason why I don't want to be subjected to it, because nobody is fully immune against it and eventually something will stick, even if it's just a stupid jingle.
  • 2
    I understand your frustration but it’s disingenuous to lump all ads into a single category. There are non-intrusive, static ads that serve as mere suggestions for a product and help pay for whatever service you’re using. On the other hand you’ve got intrusive, pop-up, audio-blaring, click-jacking ads that are just a money grab and help only the service and not the user.

    Ads are a necessary evil and they help keep a lot of really useful services free and afloat. No one forces us to click on ads (except the websites that do, that’s sucky) and they’re annoying but they also fund a lot of good things so imho I’m okay with them.
  • 3
    @AlexDeLarge I believe Coca-Cola makes ads, even though at this point they don’t need to, in order to stay relevant and fresh in people’s minds. So the next time you’re in a store and you’re facing a wall of soft drinks, you’ll intuitively reach for the red bottle and not the blue one.
  • 4
    Hey there's types of advertisements , I know everyone hates those intrusive advertisements about virus protection and cancer ending world beautifying drugs . However there's also the less intrusive advertisements that actually convey something to us.

    Are you really that insecure and afraid towards manipulation ? Well I guess you might as well give up and perform the above stated tasks in order . I like ads in the way that they tell you where the world's at right now . They're alright .... advertisements are basically supposed to be big shout outs .

    Ads can be done wrong and right just like humans and everything else . Don't just rant like no tomorrow .
  • 4
    @AlexDeLarge

    My flow diagram for buying stuff:

    Do I actually really NEED it? Is there a possibility of regret, of it ending up gathering dust? How tough is my life without that item?

    Is it electronics? Check Tweakers. (Dutch independent site comparing hundreds of webshops for buying frequency, price, delivery speed and ratings)

    Is it expensive, and does the consumentenbond (consumer association) have reports on the product? Pay them €4, they thoroughly abuse-test the shit out of everything from matrasses to bikes, and set up every test as if it were a scientific experiment.

    In all other cases: ask people around me what product they're using, how long they've been using it, and whether they would buy the exact same product again.
  • 3
    @morcerfdumas And that's the point. Coca-Cola indeed wants to manipulate your mind, and after having been 'friend' with a narcissistic manipulator, I learnt to recognize that kind of manipulation as a mental rape and I really don't comply well to being raped, be it by a single human or a whole company.
  • 2
    @AlexDeLarge

    For businesses, I am convinced, there is only one type of advertisement that truly works. Billboards and TV ads will buy you short term loyalty, but it doesn't last.

    My third point as a consumer — ask people around me — means that companies should focus 99% of their effort on making a fucking awesome product, and maybe 1% on spreading awareness about that product. Good products don't need ads, and spread like a wildfire. I heard two contractors argue about whether Festool or DeWalt made a better handheld drill — It doesn't even matter which one is best, but their argument made me select my tools from those two brands.

    Human consumers should advertise your product for you, and of their own free will. If they don't, your product sucks.
  • 3
    At least the train station bathroom is opt in 🙋
  • 2
    @Brosyl @Brosyl I understand your point but comparing ads to mental rape is hugely unfair to victims of actual rape (y’know, the physical, violent, painful and life-destroying one). Ads are, at the very worst, mental manipulations to buy their products over their competitors’. In the end, the agency rests with the person to do whatever they want, but ads do help them reach their decision. If I want to drink Pepsi or Mountain Dew, then no number of Coke ads will change my mind. However if I’m just looking for a cold, fizzy beverage and don’t care about any certain brand, then Coke will suffice, and that’s why they make ads. Not to convert the ones with minds already made up, but the ones who only want a pop but don’t care which one.
  • 2
    @morcerfdumas That's remains to be proven. I think the tax argument is a far better one.
  • 3
    @TheAnimatrix Explain to me what not wanting to be manipulated has to do with insecurity in contrast to why, ergo, willingly being manipulated is not. To do.what you're told, because you're being told to is the very definition.of insecurity.
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    @bittersweet I agree, with the sole exception that I would have looked up both tools you.mentioned, had I wanted to buy one, and I would still have checked for alternatives, then chosen what I deem best, but I get your point.
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    @illusion466 lol! That's true.
  • 5
    @morcerfdumas

    "Using x in conversation is unfair to real victims of..."

    That's retarded (yes, pun fucking intended).

    Hyperbolic imagery is the most powerful tool in the rhetorician's belt, used to convince people of an opinion by comparing to something more vivid and emotional.

    Invoking Godwin's law for example is attractive not because you literally believe office working conditions are as bad as a ww2 camp — but by making hyperbolic comparisons to horrific real world events, you might show others that the vector, while not of the same magnitude, is pointing in the same direction.

    Yes, ads are not really violent physical rape, they're mini mindrapes. My boss is not really fullblown mentally retarded, but he sometimes shows some annoying slowness.

    Also, I doubt @AlexDeLarge really has crushed as many testicles and eviscerated as many clients as he claims he has, but it clearly conveys his emotions.

    Using hyperbole is a powerful tool for a writer, and scaling back from hyperbole to reality is the reader's responsibility.
  • 3
    @bittersweet I disagree. Words have meaning and weight behind them. Normalising the heinous act of rape by claiming every minor thing rapes you is abhorrent. Ads are mild annoyances and irritating things but they’re simply not mind rapes. You can close the browser tab, look away from a billboard, change the channel and voila, the ad disappears and the annoyance with it. That’s not an option with actual rape.

    I have no problem using comparisons to convey your point but comparing minor nuisances to heinous things like rape or assault is not okay. Would you be okay with me claiming that I got raped by the sun today because it’s so hot outside?
  • 1
    Just to play devil's advocate: What's wrong with being manipulated? One could argue that everyone's being manipulated (or influenced if you prefer that word) through all their interactions with other people or things and therefore never actually their own being. You could also go as far as viewing it from the perspective of consciousness being an illusion.

    In any case, most ads are fucking obnoxious and I wish a slow painful death upon their respective creators :)
  • 7
    @morcerfdumas

    Not looking at ads is an option, a tough one though. Just like you can avoid physical rape by wearing a chastity belt.

    The comparison holds up — both are abusive invasions, pushed into you without consent.

    And unlike the sun, both rape and advertising are active decisions made by humans, humans who can be held accountable for unethical behavior.

    Claiming "no one forces you to look at ads, you could avoid them" is like telling a woman "no one forced you to take the subway at 2am, or at least stop wearing a skirt" (YES I KNOW, HYPERBOLE, NOT LITERALLY EQUAL).

    People should be able to live their life, freely, without fear of being abused, and feel protected by their communities.

    And yes, everyone knows they aren't literally the same. Everyone knows it doesn't literally hurt, mutilate or traumatize you when you see an ad.

    The point is, over time, advertisements DO cause a phenomenon very similar to abuse and trauma to society, just at a different scale.

    Everyone buys crap, people feel hollow, dissociated and disillusioned. It creeps slowly into people, symptoms not unlike those seen in victims of sexual abuse.

    Like I said, it's a vector in the same direction, but not with the same magnitude — the comparison is used to communicate that direction.

    Putting the responsibility of using such rhetorical tools on the shoulders of the writer is a terrible idea.
  • 2
    Ever since I worked for an advertising agency for two weeks, I can't look at ads like the normal watcher. I see cameras, lights, colors, photoshop or after effects, font families - you know..

    Manipulation. Such a bad sounding word. But it isn't imo. If you abuse manipulation - sure.

    ---- following mini-rant has been discussed on here before, as I see right now ----

    If you tell your friend that - for example - devRant is a cool place, that is kind of advertising and kind of manipulation. But it isn't bad because devRant rules. And because things need to spread, they need this kind of "harmless manipulation". Ofc there is "voluntary" ads (speaking about a product) and paid ads, which just means that it isn't a thing people talk about or it has difficulties to spread. I found some apps I use through ads. Free apps. Firefox runs ads. Ads help keeping free services free. Ads are actually awesome...

    wow that was long
  • 1
    @morcerfdumas
    I'll try to nuance my words then :
    The experience I had with a guy who manipulated me some years ago was traumatizing. This, I consider it mental rape, because it indeed was forced, perverse, dangerous and, when I think about it, I feel bad and ashamed. But what grew out of it is a "fear of" (or a strong desire to avoid) mental manipulation in all of its forms, maybe like a physically raped woman could fear all men afterwards.
    While ads aren't as "rapey" as the aforementioned guy, I still perceive them at least as mental harassment and feels uneasy around them.
    Now, I can admit I've not lived the horror of a physical rape and don't want to understate it. I can admit that ads isn't plain old "mental rape", and can admit that some little banner on the bottom of an app or some sponsor on a web page or concert hall isn't much of a big deal. But the "real" ads, that you see on tv or as overlays on websites are, for me and from my personal experience, literal mental harassment.
  • 1
    @Brosyl Thank you for clarifying. I'm sorry that happened to you, and I hope that someday you'll recover from that mental abuse. I do admit that there are ads that prey on our insecurities and fears, subconsciously manipulating us and changing us for the worse.

    I apologize if you felt that I misconstrued your comments.
  • 0
    This is why I have pi-hole and ublock up at all times.

    If a product is being advertised in the margins of a web page, it’s automatically an inferior product. Good products should advertise themselves.

    Sure, ads can be a source of revenue, but they don’t pay much. If I want to support a content creator, I donate over paypal/patreon or buy their merch.
  • 0
    @bittersweet let's just agree to disagree then. We are both arguing positions that are complex and morally grey. However, I disagree that chastity belts prevent rape. They've been shown to be useless, and just a minor hindrance to a person intent on rape.
  • 2
    @morcerfdumas No problem, not offended ! It was years ago and I'm more comfortable speaking about it today than before. If anything, it made me grow and indirectly made me meet my current girlfriend, which is an amazing person, so I don't regret it entirely.

    Enough with the whining for now and back to the subject ;-) :

    Ads and their ethics is a vast subject, and like anything, there are exceptions. If I create a webservice, I'll post it here and maybe on some other social media so people know it exists, so it's a kind of advertising. I think @AlexDeLarge, @bittersweet, @BambuSource and you are all right, but on different scales and about different types of ad. There is no universal good, just cases where things are more or less bad.

    (EDIT : still, fuck Coke, McDonalds or even UHU for putting their shitty products in front of my face like it was their stinky necrosed penis).
  • 1
    @AlexDeLarge @filthyranter this is not neccesarily true. In a market where the top companies are competing for the nr.1 spot the person with the best advertisement wins because that means more people likely to boy their product/service.
    Now this doesn't mean I think adds these days are good. And add should just inform you about the existence and actual features of a product/service.
    A lot of useful things wouldn't be used or bought if it never got advertised because no one would know it even existed and just a few would stumble upon it in a store.
  • 2
    I would not want to live in a world with zero ads.
  • 3
    If they're going to use ads, at fucking least use non-tracking ones.

    But yes, a-fucking-gree.
  • 2
    @linuxxx "buy your sexy slips here! on sale!"

    (I'm going to guess that you have a cat) "most tasty dog food and fun toys for your little friend."

    Or "We made an app helping to fix programming issues"

    "Try 30 days free: The most advanced web programming environment"

    You can ignore both. And without them the content creators you might enjoy (if there are any) wouldn't be able to create that content. I prefer the second one.
  • 1
    @bittersweet I never claimed I have and I haven't, but yes, sometimes I love to.
  • 0
    @BambuSource I'll refer to the comment above yours.

    Oh and, I don't have pets :(
  • 2
    @benrooke That's officially in the top ten of the dumbest sentences I've ever heard.
  • 0
    @AlexDeLarge so what you’re saying is, is that you find absolutely no value in any ads whatsoever. That, my friend, is what I consider dumb.
  • 0
    @AlexDeLarge only siths deal in absolutes
  • 1
    @benrooke That's okay, I consider you dumb too for thinking that and for trying to substantiate your fallacy with an even dumber Star Wars reference.
  • 0
    @AlexDeLarge 🙌🏼 and that’s your right. And it turns out ads are ubiquitous. So I think between the two of us, at least I recognize the utility of the good ads.
  • 1
    @benrooke I think you mean 'of the two of us', unless you believe you can be at two places at the same time. Maybe all the 'good ads' have already affected you.
  • 0
    @AlexDeLarge there’s an implicit “choosing”... choosing between the two of us...
  • 1
    I'm absolutely disgusted by how ads are made.

    Marketing is a dirty fucking job that came out of Satan's anus while he was on diarrhea.
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    You don't even make a point, you just sound like an angry 16 y/o desperately attempting to sound philosophical by prosing away garbage.

    They're trying to sell shampoo on YouTube, you're not being manipulated, ads targeting does not work, the information they inferred about you are erroneous, you can turn location tracking off and use as block: calm-the-fuck-down.
  • 2
    @jdatap and I might add, you may be looking for a new shampoo brand. So not only are you not being manipulated, it might even be helpful for some people.

    And if you think the shampoo example is stupid, then think about how many people in this community are here because they saw a DevRant ad. Or the Linux operating systems you heard about from word of mouth? Or the billboard on 101 that mentions Coursera (online classes? Always wanted to take those, now I know a URL!)

    That being said, most of the time it’s noise.
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