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The thing I'm most disgusted by is that a tabloid willing to publish private sexting pics refers to the contents as "semi-erect manhood is penetrating the zipper of said garment" and "a glimpse of her nether region"
If you are so sleazy and evil, why would you even pretend to be civilized by using such sanitized language? Why not sanitize the behavior instead?
I guess I just prefer foul mouthed people with a good heart.
git-gud1592162dPlease don't. This is battle between dick heads. I respect him in this instance, but other than that the man is not better than them.
@devios1 I don't see anything wrong with being a billionaire. There is something undemocratic about perverse wealth gaps for sure, so the existence of the ultrawealthy might be a systemic flaw, yet I find it hard to blame a person for becoming one.
Despite that, every human has choices, at any wealth level... And while Bezos makes a few good ones, he does make a lot of questionable ones as well.
What worries me about him is that his primary drive doesn't seem to be idealistic, like with Musk, but rather imperialistic.
He doesn't want to colonize space because it's adventurous and awe inspiring, but because an expansion to the moon as a space conglomerate excites him.
He creates companies not for humanity's sake, but for the sake of scale and power and showing one's erect manhood through the zippers of garments.
@bittersweet It should not be up to one man to colonize space. Much as I respect people like Elon Musk for what they’ve accomplished, it still seems absurd to me that we even allow this in society. Those kinds of things need to be done as a country, not as a private-interest company.
Wealth is only relative. For one person to have that much more than another, by whatever means they obtained it, it means others must necessarily have less. It just seems like a completely broken system and I no longer believe in it. Any system where any individual is allowed to attain that much more power over everyone else is fundamentally flawed. By allowing billionaires to exist, we are creating the very class that enslaves us.
@devios1 Here you are hating wealth instead of actions again.
Please consider all meanings of the phrase "to make money." There is not a fixed quantity of wealth, nor valuation of it. Simply because one person has more does not mean others have less. Someone else's success is not your failure. Their wealth is not your debt.
@devios1 The conundrum is that ambitious mega projects require concentrated power and wealth.
When individuals get such resources it's often by taking ethical shortcuts, and when governments have the resources there's usually a lot of bureaucratic machinery which splits effort into thousands of little pieces.
It's not like states have proven their merit, ESA and NASA have done great work but I don't see them taking human spaceflight to the next level anytime soon.
I think the lesser of the evils is billionaires taxiing us to space, with the formation of local democratic governments in colonies as soon as possible. There must be multiple competing cargo shipping companies though to prevent concentration of power. As a Dutchie, I dislike the VOC-history of my ancestors, would be good idea to avoid a monopoly in colonization efforts.
@devios1 I hate lazy people that refuse to work and instead leech off of others, usually by abusing systems designed as safety nets.
Similarly, I hate corrupt individuals that rig the system to benefit themselves and their friends -- usually politicians.
Likewise, I hate cons that promise to help and deliver the exact opposite -- usually also politicians.
@Root I haven’t though! I used to be just like you. I used to believe the whole shebang and had dreams of having my own big company some day. But I became disillusioned. I eventually saw through the whole thing and realized there was nothing better about the “successful” people compared to the poorer workers under them. In fact usually the opposite. The system rewards those who play the game, and the vast majority of these people only cared about money. How can money be both the reward and the goal? Especially when half the people voting with their wallet are doing so out of necessity and the rest of us are brainwashed by consumerism?
Economist @Root, honorary member of the Austrian School.
"Value is derived from marginal utility. Centralized socialist or keynesian planning of complex systems is futile at best, destructive at worst. Free markets should be driven bottom-up by individuals, only governed by laws implementing ethics"
I think a lot of their stuff was on point, except for their failure to deal with negative externalities and the coase theorem, explained by my economics teacher as "If the teacher farts in the classroom, who will accuse him, and how do we settle damages?" and "If there was a better teacher, how hard would you fight to get me replaced?"
And I do think that's where it often goes wrong...
People aren't as adaptable as markets would like them to be, most of us are shaped more by habit than purpose, efficiency, ideals or motivation.
I don't have any problems with billionaires, especially the ones who didn't inherit it, or were forgiven by the banks like Trump.
Bezos started Amazon or of his garage. I respect these new tech billionaires really.
I do have an issue with the income inequality, bit that is more a government issue, not a citizen issue. They should tax the rich and open more social programs to help the rest of us.
If Bezos or any of the other Billionaires ever gave everyone a million dollars well then a million dollars just became equal to 10 dollars. Inflation would be rampant.
The economy is a fickle thing. I still am stunned that the entire thing is run on faith. Literally it's like believing in God except more tangible, so i guess that is why people put all their confidence for no reason into it.
I'm not an economist, I've tried wrapping my head around it, I just can't. My brain cannot fathom it, I am not afraid to admit that. But billionaires like Bezos, Musk and the like built there businesses legitimately, all of them have philanthropic pursuits, Possibly they could reduce the efficiency algorithms some and allow employees not to work themselves to death.
But for most part, I hold the government responsible not individuals.
@hash-table I was raised that way too, but I no longer consider being a billionaire ok. I no longer consider success at the expense of others ok. I certainly no longer believe the BS that these people somehow deserve to be rich while those who lack the same ruthlessness should fall behind. Being a billionaire is not earned. It is taken through constant manipulation and coercion. The market does not make itself fair. Left to its own devices it will reward greed and selfishness and punish those who do not take more than they need.
@hash-table Money is not absolute. It has no value on its own. It only has value when you compare one person’s worth to someone else. I’m tired of this belief that people own their money. All you own is paper or numbers. Society gives it value by people deciding how much they can afford to trade. Hoarding loads of money for yourself (and not paying your fair share in taxes) drives that divide further, making the poor relatively poorer and yourself richer and is no different in my mind than stealing from those who need it. Why do we consider this in any way reputable behaviour?
Luckily I’m not the only one waking up to this. I think the days of people tolerating rich fucks is finally coming to an end and it’s about time. Despite what they pretend they are not helping us.
@hash-table You know what would be a good start? Let people be paid for their work what it is *worth* instead of the minimum amount they are willing to work for to survive.
People like Jeff Bezos are rich because they got there on the backs of others who weren’t so generously rewarded.
Ofc I agree with you. I'm not saying you are wrong. But I don't put much effort or faith into this money thing.
I live comfortable. I am able to have food on table, roof over head, I don't need luxury items and could really care less. I would like a few more pesos to be able to travel more.
But I just don't much care, the hate or the love of money, or individuals with or without it. It doesn't affect my emotions. If i was a billionaire I world be so bored, I world have turned to drugs and be dead right now. I think half of society who were given that lifestyle would.I don't think most people can handle money. They would become more evil then they are now. Buying as much power over women/others as they could.
If I could get rid of money and live without I world no problems.
@hash-table I (and I think probably a lot of folks) are much the same. You and I don’t see money as the end goal of life. I’m perfectly happy having enough to get by with the odd luxury to ease my existential struggle. Money is a tool and a means of representing abstract value without being tied to something physical. In that sense I have no issue with money… when it’s used fairly. The problem arises when you have people who do not “play fair” in the system and take more than they need, leading to large imbalances in equity. But worse, the system does not punish this kind of behaviour and actually seems set up to *reward* it, in part because of the lack of regulation at the top where it is needed most. Why are we cutting taxes on the rich at a time of such epidemic inequity? Why are so many people living in borderline poverty while a select few control nearly all the wealth? These are not signs of a fair and balanced system.
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