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all kinds of things:

1. JavaScript
2. Idiots working on WiFi firmware
3. Said idiots telling us that they found a compiler bug when a signed integer optimization screws their codes dependency on rollover. People like that shouldn’t be writing WiFi firmware.
4. Blockchain
5. Treating weapons of mass terror like machine learning like just a fun game to work on and then release open source
6. The fact that when assholes from all these companies like Facebook google and Amazon testify before Congress our political leaders are dumber than bricks when questioning them so they either a. Ask totally the wrong questions and people get off clean or b. When the witnesses do say something questionable is happening Congress doesn’t have the mental capacity to notice that something of concern was just said
7. despite the fact Linux has an easier to use UI than windows people bitch about how hard it is still
8. How defensive people are over their “own stuff.” “I like windows so if you say anything against it you’re insulting me” or “but I wrote this code you can’t refactor it that’s my mark!”
9. JavaScript
10. The fact that web assembly, though the superior technology, is going to become popular not because it’s fast but because it makes it harder to block ads and harder to read and analyze the code.
11. The fact that our obsession with web technologies has led to applications that are 10,000x less efficient than other alternatives, the carbon footprint of this is astonishing, and nobody cares. But they all want to save the environment. What?
12. The social disease of social media and how people have become addicted to a degree almost comparable to crack
13. People think being an influencer on Instagram is a real job.
14. People waste preposterous amounts of energy on crypto currency mining despite the fact that it doesn’t offer many real advantages over cold hard cash. It’s still trackable!!
15. Modern copyright law and how it’s been implemented in our web services that we use every day is insane; the music industry is a mafia and are using google as a club to beat us all down with. And google is fine with that.
16. All the music made today is fake and that’s done by leveraging all the “great” technology that (now defunct) digidesign avid and auto tune has brought to us
17. We design computers and software for the stupidest users that easily fall prey to all these things rather than the average person.
18. The Boeing 737 crashes are software related. That means some idiot fucked up and a bunch of people died. Need I say more?
19. JavaScript

The world will end some day and it will be because of software. You either accept that fact or live in denial.

Mic drop.

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  • 8
    1, 5, 9, 18, 19.

    Interesting.
  • 6
    4 is very much debatable. Whose hands it falls in and how they use it are the real problems

    Couldn't agree more on 10, 11, 12, 14, and 18
  • 7
    1, 9, 19
    n00b
  • 8
    You forgot syntactic whitespace man.
  • 6
    11, very interesting point.
  • 1
    15, not mafia. everyone can buy laws and people deserve their leaders.
  • 1
    @asgs did you mean 5?
  • 4
    @AleCx04 you’re totally right, sorry about that!! X_X
  • 4
    13 tho. It is a real job
  • 3
    @norman70688 but doing that is an act of crime done by an organization. And criminal organization is precisely the definition of mafia. Allegedly music industry also has other legitimate interests but buying laws is not a step in that direction.
  • 3
    @toriyuno I disagree :/ it’s just software evolving our culture for the worse
  • 2
    @FrodoSwaggins no, Blockchain
  • 4
    2,3,7 you get a huge ++ and Haxk20 award. Wear it with pride.
  • 3
    @FrodoSwaggins i was thinking that you were probably trying to forget it exists man.
  • 4
    I mean I agree with all of them. That's why the Haxk20 award.
  • 2
    @asgs ah ok then. Just thought that response fit better with 5
  • 3
    @AleCx04 lol yeah let’s go with that XP
  • 2
    @toriyuno that only makes it worse tbh
  • 5
    I'm completely burned out too. There's just too many people doing the same shit as you. I'm out.

    I've been getting myself into woodworking and I haven't felt this good in a long time. I feel healthy both mentally and physically.
  • 0
    JavaScript
  • 2
    The truth has been spoken.
  • 1
    @Pickman
    How's that crime? You can buy yourself a nice law that may sound like good thing to plebeians, while serving your (business)interests. It's not illegal. But if this kind of law gets approved by politicians you chose or let to lead you, then you basically deserve it. It's oversimplification, but you get the point.
  • 2
    18: only reason it happened is because Boeing/FAA rushed to market to beat AirBus. The devs weren't given a chance to properly implement it. Also, who are you to bash them when you probably don't even know how a plane flies, let alone the details of engine internal software
  • 1
    @retnikt i know enough about control systems and how a plane flies, and just because I haven’t personally worked on it really has no bearing on whether this is a software related fuckup that killed more than 300 people in about 8 months. I never killed 300 people in 8 months. There are lots of software related jobs where the destructive stakes are that high and that situation needs to be respected as such.
  • 1
    The shocking reality: I have to explain to a non techy friend reading this that there's not even a small amount of exaggeration here.
  • 0
    And about the Congress, of course they're not that dumb. In fact this shows the mental capacity of the average voter. Keeping people convinced comes at a price, and why they should bother to spend more than it takes?
  • 0
    How the fuck is machine learning a mass terror weapon? ML is just math.
  • 1
    @AI-Overlord the nuclear bomb is just physics
  • 0
    @FrodoSwaggins yes. Nuclear bomb is just physic, you just need about billions of dollar for a uranium centrifuge center. Building an atom bomb is not a question of knowdledge but resource. The same for machine learning, which is only about descriptive statistic, linear algebra and Stochastics, which are not even a field of computer science.

    Trying to make machine learning closed source is just like trying to ban math.
  • 1
    @AI-Overlord I’m not advocating it to be closed source. I’m advocating intelligent discretion. You wouldn’t the technical designs for a nuclear bomb to the public right? Why would you? Where the bomb requires massive resources to build, ML requires almost none. Any asshole in North Korea can pick it up and start hunting for political enemies the next day basically. The models that do text identificAtion don’t need a ton of horsepower.
  • 1
    @norman70688 how is bribery a crime? Well it depends on the country of course.
    "Bribery refers to the offering, giving, soliciting, or receiving of any item of value as a means of influencing the actions of an individual holding a public or legal duty. This type of action results in matters that should be handled objectively being handled in a manner best suiting the private interests of the decision maker. Bribery constitutes a crime and both the offeror and the recipient can be criminally charged."
    https://law.cornell.edu/wex/...

    Long story short it's not a crime as long as the politician was going to do that even if you did not give him the money.
  • 0
    @Pickman yeah but you can’t prove the politician would have done that anyway. So it will always be tried as a crime. Because of course they would say that. I find bribery in big business to be a crime as well, because that trivially gets into FTC territory. Best to avoid all together.
  • 0
    @Pickman bribery is too trivial and criminal, I'm talking about lobbying.
  • 1
    Never seen so much bullshit in one post ...
  • 0
    @FrodoSwaggins technically the default assumption nowadays is innocence which makes it difficult to try people for this crime. It's not enshrined in any international agreement so that may vary according to legislation in one's country.
    That's one reason (there are several of course) why some countries do not allow lobbying because it's hard to distinguish from bribery.
  • 1
    @norman70688 if you manage to change the politician's idea then it's bribery and no longer lobbying. And that's what I was talking about. Totally unenforceable of course, but that's how the laws for lobbying currently work.
    Enforcement is... Challenging. So I do see your point however.
  • 0
    so much darkness yet so much truth in every point... couldn't agree less
    And your points against ML being open source in comments makes me wonder about the whole concept of open sourcing. any piece of code can be made dangerous, just like any piece of glass or metal can be used for killing.
    I think open sourcing ML is not bad, what we need is some kind of Police, an Authority figure to keep a check on which person is accessing which code/tech .
    But then again there is so much intolerance about right to privacy and government tracings, that dev community would go mad if someone even suggested tracking open sourced content or something like that.

    oops, i just did that
  • 0
    I ♥️ JS
    Bite me
  • 1
    @TitanLannister it’s not open source that’s the problem. It’s the fact that we’re operating under the assumption that these things /aren’t/ weapons of mass terror. We act like these things are cute and cool and they aren’t, so that’s the main problem here. When somebody murders a family as a political assasination that they tracked down using ML the people who invented whatever method was used (who will meanwhile be driving around San Francisco in their mclaren) will not even hear about it let alone be held responsible. It’s sick.
  • 0
    A Question... CRYPTO, Blockchain related. Say a mimble wimble token is implemented on without ur knowing and u try to I guess for better words break out of it without knowing what's hiding you or any coding knowledge. What possibilities could happen. O and u created crypto mines routed through Google's cloud and published 3 ICOs that have become very well known Alt coins. Any ideas on possible out comes or how to break out?
  • 0
    @FrodoSwaggins then its just like the case of chemicals. We can easily get deadly stuff from the market, yet no one is bothered that their next door neighbor could be a psycopath assassin plotting someone's death from common cleaning acid.

    Open source or not, code is available online. How to convert code into finding next 9/11 spot , the ml for that, is available online. Every fucking thing is available online, just like potentially lethal chemicals are available easily.

    That's one drawback of democracy itself, not just dev future i guess
  • 1
    @TitanLannister but we acknowledge that lethal chemicals are lethal. That’s a separate issue

    The people in the industry developing this stuff are in denial to the level of extreme reckless disregard, and are proud of themselves on top of it.

    That lack of respect is what gets people killed. And they will not be held responsible even if their product is /directly/ used to commit a mass genocide. Even if they’re /hosting/ the service they won’t be held accountable.

    Now I’m not saying “hold people who release open source code accountable” but they should at least /be aware/ that they’re making weapons of mass terror. It makes me so god damn mad that they don’t seem to.
  • 0
    @FrodoSwaggins and what if they do acknowledge? How can they change it?

    Its technically an open sourced code for a weapon of mass destruction from your POV, but from that guy's perspective , that's just another piece of accomplishment that could get him fame and wealth, with a slight problem that the code is Dangerous in the wrong hands.

    There can't be a solution in which the code is only accessable to those with "good intentions only"
  • 0
    @TitanLannister again, if people make it it will be open source. There’s no stopping that. I’m talking about a cultural issue where we don’t make decisions about machine learning with its weaponized potential in mind.

    Consider if somebody hosted a mass public facial recognition program. Sure you could release that open source but it’s way more detrimental hosted and freely available to not only those with few resources, but also other machine learning applications that can leverage that service. So you get a snowball effect that is not controlled in any way.

    I’m advocating for changing the culture of just throwing out any and all machine learning into the world and just “seeing what happens”

    You want to make it? Fine. But if you aren’t analyzing what it /could/ be used for, how it can interact with other data and machine learning, and how it lowers the noise floor of information then I would argue that you are not qualified to work on machine learning. Kind of like somebody who doesn’t know that bombs kill people is not qualified to work on or around bombs.

    This has no bearing whatsoever on how that changes policy. With responsible culture I believe things will be different. Not ideal, but different. I can’t even quantify how but I am inclined to believe different better.
  • 0
    Someone with absolutely no coding knowledge, that has no one to ask about what's going one and they feel the one way to find out is breaking whatever's holding them in this bubble is an extremely dangerous combination. I wonder when they will stop hiding the truth so everyone can sleep better.
  • 1
    Why'd you hate on JavaScript? I love it!
  • 0
    @Froot type safety and it’s primarily used to spy on us. Carbon footprint is enormous, and it requires an indirect branch every time it does math. Need I say more. Awful language.
  • 0
    @FrodoSwaggins
    You get type safety if you want it with either a superset or a lib.
    Never took you for a paranoid dude. An opinionated one sure, but not paranoid.

    Could you show some data regarding the carbon footprint? I would really dig reading something like that.
  • 2
    @AleCx04 you’d probably have to search it, but there’s a lot of literature. JavaScript is super inefficient and basically the idea is when a ton of work is pushed to the client data centers don’t pay the price people often ignore the carbon footprint. I’ll look later if you remind me again.

    Although let’s be real... rendering html5 css3 is also like a lead weight compared to the old days.

    I’m paranoid because I’ve seen it all man. Cloudflare can see all the ptxt of their customers and nobody seems to care. This industry puts out a lot of trash X_C and that trash is used for our banking, credit reporting, medical records, etc etc.

    Machine learning is the big one. While mr big shot who designed penmanship recognition ML is on his drive home in his mclaren his technology is being used to kill somebody’s family in some politically oppressed country because then can uncover anonymous political columnist opponents now. And mr mclarens never going to pay the price for that.

    These fats we have to be paranoid.
  • 1
    @FrodoSwaggins I understand completely man. Shit, if it were for me the way we build the web would be less fucky and simpler. php and asp seems simple and decent enough to build 99% of use cases, and i get how we would need to add additional stuff now a days. I really think that we fuckd up once we tried to take the idea of simple hypertext presentation and make it into a moving and dragging ui.
  • 1
    @FrodoSwaggins I can completely agree with type safety. Thankfully we have stuff like typescript but I wish JS was natively strongly typed.

    Carbon footprint is a massive stretch. If you're conserved about the environment then there are tons of other things to focus on before any given language. Also, that carbon footprint is heavily tied to what energy the user is using. If the user is on 100% solar then that argument doesn't hold at all.

    As for the spying, that's not the language's fault at all 😀

    Its just odd that you single out JS but not PHP for example.
  • 2
    @AleCx04 Frodo is the cheaf tin-foiler here, just normal stuff 😀

    As for the web, it's not that we fucked up with adding stuff to the hypertext, it's that native applications moved to the web because no one wants to install stuff anymore, which makes perfect sense.
  • 1
    @Froot it does and I ain't disagreeing with it. And even though i think its broken i wouldn't call it a mess.

    But i always get this feeling that there should be a better way to deal with web application development. As in, something is not quite right.
  • 0
    @AleCx04 Heh yeah. Well JS I an old language and it wasn't designed for webapps to begin with. Thankfully it's moving at a fast pace to accommodate that
  • 0
    Are you a nihilist?
  • 1
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