It’s funny to watch everyone freak out about Microsoft “putting a REAL Linux kernel into Windows”.
You’re literally getting excited over a virtual machine, calm down. It’s not like they will change Windows’ architecture or abandon WinNT.

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    You need to be a little more subtle to bait us.
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    I use WSL because it's more lightweight than a fully fledged virtual machine. I'm pretty stoked about being able to debug a container launched by make via vscode in windows.

    I prefer linux, but being flexible in teams always comes first. That's where I've started to become more reliant on WSL.
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    I'll never understand why people take this shit so seriously. Like that's lame. It's (going to be) a job that pays well and that I like to do, not my life.
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    I would love Windows to replace NT with the Linux kernel.
    That would mean all games for Linux!
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    I apologise to anyone not interested. But @LinusTor, please do post your findings. I'm going to be talking a lot about this, and would love to have something to back it up
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    @LinusTor haha I hope so too :P and thank you :)
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    Or short they think they can make more money wit this decision.
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    @LinusTor very interesting. Don’t know how an open source operating system is compatible with their philosophy though, with them using windows as an advertising platform and data gathering device for PRISM. I’m very skeptical, but as you said, recent history might indicate that they’re moving into the right direction.

    Still, I believe that the hype around WSL 2 is a bit of an overreaction.
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    @RantSomeWhere They can still use Windows as an advertising and data gathering platform, nothing stopping them from that. Now it'll just be clear as day to anyone looking through the codebase.
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    @LinusTor Gotta say, you make some really interesting points, none of which I can argue against off the top of my head. Great work! Now I just have one question:

    Where did you gather all this information? Read some article about it, or just pieces you've gathered here and there?
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    @LinusTor Well I'm for one really happy you've gathered all that information :D And well I have one more question if it's okay.

    Reading your two(thousand) cents on this, really has gotten me interested in knowing more about it, and possibly write an article about it. Would you mind if I use this as a basis for that?

    Oh and a disclaimer: It's not like I'm a huge journalist or anything, I just like to write. And I know if I write an article about this, I'll end up pulling a lot of your points into it
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    @LinusTor Haha yeah I should've figured :D

    But no sadly messaging isn't a feature on DevRant yet. Do you maybe have Twitter or something where I can contact you?

    And of course, welcome to DevRant!
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    @LinusTor Fair enough. Well perhaps I'll ask you for advice at some point. Right now I'm just hyped for Linux on Windows, we'll see if I actually get to writing about it.
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    @LinusTor Will do!
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    @LinusTor no, I don’t mind interesting discussions at all, no hard feelings.

    What I’m hinting at is that as soon as they switch kernels (and philosophies) and decide to release their source code (which I’m pretty sure they’re required to do if they ship with Linux), their business model won’t work anymore.
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    I ddint read the thread because its way to long but I just want to say that it is not a VM when they add the kernel. Thats the reason why they are adding it.
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    @LinusTor eh, thanks for correcting me. Not familiar with licensing, but as far as i know, you are required to license your work with the same license if you modify it - at least per GPL.
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    @LinusTor lately I heard them saying the canceled the chromium based browser and decided to support IE inside Edge, any news on that?
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    @Stuxnet and that is honestly the best way to go about it. I understand passion, I am passionate about my field and I love it. But fuck me if I am going to stallman screech over an regular Joe's choice of an operating system/programming language/etc

    The only thing that irritates me? the amount of autistic screeching that I see around these parts
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    @AleCx04 exactly man.

    Like I love learning about a computer, programming, etc. I love having an opinion on what I feel is correct. But I don't give a damn what some asshole across the fucking globe thinks.

    If you catch me nerding out over something, it'll be like me amazed at the attack that GitHub survived around this time last year. (1.3 tbs 😳)

    It's just weird to care to the point that you're arguing with someone who's opinion shouldn't even matter in the first place 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
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    @ltlian Docker containers are more light weight than WSL I think
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    Except it's not a virtual machine. They don't emulate hardware, they translate system calls.
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    @br34kp01nt it is. They describe it as a “lightweight utility VM” with a very accessible interface for windows.

    > WSL 2 uses the latest and greatest in virtualization technology to run its Linux kernel inside of a lightweight utility virtual machine (VM). However, WSL 2 will NOT be a traditional VM experience. When you think of a VM, you probably think of something that is slow to boot up, exists in a very isolated environment, consumes lots of computer resources and requires your time to manage it. WSL 2 does not have these attributes. It will still give the remarkable benefits of WSL 1: High levels of integration between Windows and Linux, extremely fast boot times, small resource footprint, and best of all will require no VM configuration or management.
    >To summarize: while WSL 2 does use a VM, it will be managed and run behind the scenes leaving you with the same user experience as WSL 1.

    Source: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/comm...
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    WSL2 literally runs on hyper-V. According to a couple of tech sites, this will even prevent “normal” virtualization to run properly.

    >Due to the Hyper-V usage of WSL2, WSL2 will not work when VirtualBox or VMware software is active.

    Source: https://phoronix.com/scan.php/...

    Are you saying that they would provide false information in their press release? I smell a PR disaster. Unlikely.
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    @LinusTor it looks like we are wrong indeed when looking at their devblogs

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    I personally don't think they'll go with a full Linux kernel, but I personally believe MS will redo their kernel to a more Unix-like kernel at some point, at least with how much they've been sucking Linux's dick lately.
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