13
Nanos
168d

Thanks to my socialist government giving me some free money to help the poor, I'm now no longer poor, but only poverty stricken !

Interestingly, they only give money to the poor, not the real poor, who are below me..

Anyhow, this means technically, I am able to date !

Though only for 3 months in every year, then the money runs out, and no doubt so will my date !

Anyhow, I get to change my dating profile next weekend to show I've now some disposable income !

Then I reckon I'll get one relationship per year, so we'll see if that is true or not !

So happy days, and hurray for socialist governments putting up taxes so poor folk like me can get some free money ! ($300 USD in case you was thinking it was thousands!)

That was slight sarcasm..

And in 3 months time, if all goes to plan, I'll be out of debt !

My new exercise regime is paying off, I can see some muscles getting bigger.

Though marks out of 10 wise, I'm only about a 1.8 so not very attractive, still, I reckon it is now possible, where as before, I reckoned not.

Of course, I kept trying to disprove this, but I wasn't proved wrong !

Now lets see if I'm proved right..

As long as I don't move in the next year of course..

Which is always a possibility. :-(

When I say move, I really mean, end up homeless and have to move to another area where I know no one/etc.

Not that I know anyone here and I've been here 3+ years..

Comments
  • 3
  • 9
    If you spend that money on whores instead of dates, it will last for more than three months, plus that a line of coke here and there should be affordable.
  • 11
    Freebies kill the economy and society at large

    When corrupts can't/won't/don't want to show progress, they resort to handing out such things to gain or retain power. And unfortunately, people don't think before they act and accept whatever comes in their way (freebies, or not), and they don't have enough choices to make either
  • 2
    @asgs

    FX [ Nods in general agreement. ]

    > Freebies kill the economy and society at large

    Possibly..

    But what about pensions and pocket money, those are freebies, but they don't kill the economy do they ?

    Or should all children and old people work..
  • 1
    @Fast-Nop

    I did look into paying for time instead of dates, but the prices here are $100 for half an hour, so at best I could only afford around once every 2 weeks for 3 months and then the money would run out.

    I'd prefer to spend it on cola than coke !
  • 3
    @Nanos pensions are fine and are well deserved. Others, not so much

    I don't know how pocket money are given by anyone other than family/relatives
  • 2
    @Nanos what, that's massively overpriced. Shouldn't be more than $20.
  • 1
    @Fast-Nop

    Where do you find the cheaper ones ?
  • 0
    @asgs

    What if a person hasn't worked their entire life, would it still be fine to give them a pension ?
  • 3
    @Nanos In any red light district that isn't right beside price-driving luxury quarters of the city.
  • 0
    @asgs

    So if a relative gives a poor family member money that is fine ?

    But not if someone is taxed to do the same thing to someone who isn't a relative ?

    Perhaps the issue there is only one of having the option.

    Eg. If we did away with tax increases to give money to the poor, then we should give money to the poor individually if we so choose, aka charity.

    I prefer crowd funding then, as more of the money goes direct to the poor person and less is taken with admin costs than giving to your average admin bloated spending charity..
  • 1
    @Fast-Nop

    How do I find my red light district ?

    Actually I think its across the road from me..

    But how do I ask without insulting the people who live there if it isn't !
  • 2
    @Nanos how is it pension when it is given to somebody who hasn't worked at all?

    Also, I'm all for charity. Helping poor is the #1 priority of any Govt. But it just doesn't stop with giving away money. Providing jobs that they work on to earn money so that they could help the next set of people should be the ultimate goal. Otherwise, you know what happens. Poor stay poor and people who give won't give after some time for whatever reason. In the end, poverty still exists

    You can compare this to helping a student who doesn't clear his tests. You can relax the rules of evaluating them until they get the opportunity to learn snd understand the subject better. But that relaxation has to end at some point. This sounds like a poor analogy now, but I hope you got the point
  • 2
    @Nanos The red light district is often marked by, well, red lights in the windows. D'oh.
  • 0
    @Fast-Nop

    I can't say I've seen any red lights here..
  • 0
    Paying for time brings up the question of ethics..

    How do I tell the difference between someone selling time because they genuinely want to do so, and others who are being exploited and I'm just abusing them further ?

    Though you could argue that dating is the same, eg. no one dates me when I'm poor, so they are only dating me when I've money, and thus they are prostituting themselves for a free meal !
  • 0
    @asgs

    I very much get the point, and generally agree with it.

    But I'm always interested in better solutions.

    I wonder if something like Universal Basic Income could be a better solution, or will it just make things worse..

    Current state benefit systems in some ways, make things worse..

    You are rewarded for being unemployable..

    Whilst I agree that jobs for everyone would be a great idea, there are very few places in the entire world that has happened in. (I happen to live in one of them, and I'm studying why that is here, and so far, it doesn't not appear sustainable !)

    As we have pensions and pocket money, and those work, would not UBI just be a version of that with a different age range ?

    Perhaps if you kept lowing the pension age every year, eventually it would reach the stage of when pocket money is given !

    But would it work economically I wonder..
  • 1
    @Nanos So what? Most of the work people are doing is just for the money, and among unskilled labour, prostitution pays quite well.
  • 0
    With increasing automation, jobs are going to be not so easy to get..

    What do we do with the large number of unemployed ?

    I guess in time if they don't breed, they will eventually die of old age and not be a problem anymore..

    Except of course, if you give them government money, then they keep breeding more unemployed people !

    "You can only have a kid, if you have a job lined up for them !"

    In the old days, people only had kids when they could afford to raise them from their job(s) income..
  • 1
    Related link:

    https://youtube.com/watch/...

    > Milton Friedman - The Negative Income Tax

    UBI under a different name in 1968. :-)
  • 3
    @Nanos unfortunately, UBI or the likes won't work. Lowering the age range doesn't help as that means people will live for more time now without doing work. This means more stress on the givers and more expectations from the takers. It leads to imbalance

    And I'm looking for a better solutions likr everybody else
  • 1
    Related link:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    I wonder if there is a similar article on Meninist_views_on_prostitution..

    As when I sold my time for cash, it wasn't because I needed to, it was because I wanted to get some extra money, and it was fairly enjoyable too !

    But then I could choose my clients..

    What if I couldn't..

    Wouldn't it then be abusive ?
  • 0
    @Fast-Nop

    So, buying a hamburger is just as bad ethically because the person serving you is forced to work there..

    Not really quite the same as sticking your dick inside of them though..

    "Big burger with fries and a blow job please.."
  • 1
    @Nanos So what again? If a whore isn't happy, she can quit her job and do whatever a man would do in her situation. It's just that she has always one option more than him.
  • 0
    @asgs

    If we take pensions as an example, and the pension age varies in different countries...

    How do we work out what the pension age should be ?

    If its say 60.

    Then does that mean if we lower it to 59, that we are suddenly going to call it UBI and it will never work..

    But at 60, its called a pension and works ?

    So... what's so magic about 60 over 59 ?

    Is it just because the country can afford the pension at 60 and not at 59 ?

    Say a country could afford a pension at 30..

    Any reason why we shouldn't do that ?

    Related link:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
  • 0
    @Fast-Nop

    Some are trafficked though, and don't have the option to quit, they are slaves.

    Related link:

    https://antislavery.org/slavery-tod...
  • 1
    @Nanos They can always call in the police. Of course, if they have entered the country illegally, they will be sent home. Just where they would have stayed anyway had they been men.
  • 0
    @asgs

    > UBI or the likes won't work.

    In what ways do you think they won't work ?

    Just in case you have some thoughts on the issue I'm not aware of !

    I think it won't work because people will just sit around collecting the money and not work..

    But I do wonder, what if 1 in 10,000 people because of the money, don't sit around and instead put the money to good use and start a business..

    Wouldn't those people make a difference in a country, and be worth the other 99.9% of people sitting around doing nothing ?

    The only downside I see is that the 99.9% would continue to have kids, and less chance each generation of that 0.01% being born who would start a business..

    So, it could maybe work if you could only have kids if you was rich !
  • 0
    @Fast-Nop

    It is hard to argue against such sensible answers.

    FX [ Waits to see if anyone else has any possible good answers to those answers.. ]

    How about folk who are chained up and cannot easily contact authorities ?

    https://mirror.co.uk/news/...

    I guess the answer there is, don't have sex with someone chained to a bed !
  • 2
    @Nanos exactly. Giving money is helpful, but certainly not the most motivating act. So people will become lazy and that's why it won't work.

    Come on, 1% working will balance the rest? Even if it did, it would be absolutely unfair and it demotivates the next set of 1%, wouldn't it?

    Regarding pension, I don't know what age is right. The age that is right would be the time when all your physical and mental energy have been used up and would like to spend the rest of the life peacefully
  • 1
    @Nanos yeah sure that's not prostitution as job, that's downright criminal, no matter to what kind of work someone is chained up.
  • 2
    EXCUSE ME BUT
    what the fuck does this have to do with programming?
  • 0
    @asgs

    > it would be absolutely unfair and it

    > demotivates the next set of 1%, wouldn't it?

    I dunno, are people demotivated because Grandpa retired at 65 and now 40 years on, is still living the high life and not working for his money !

    Would I be suddenly demotivated because the retirement age was reduced to 64 ?
  • 0
    @rant1ng

    It doesn't. :-)

    Unless there is a cast iron rule that we can't talk about anything else here..

    In which case, I await to be banned for life !
  • 0
    @asgs

    > people will become lazy and that's why it

    > won't work.

    That sounds like an argument against pocket money. :-)

    Actually I rarely got pocket money as a kid, so maybe that is why I'm not lazy..

    One kid I knew got $100 a week !

    Sometimes, I could only earn $100 a year !

    I wish I could remember his name, so I could google him and see what his life has turned out like..

    I sometimes find people I used to know, some of them are living awful lives. :-(
  • 1
    @Nanos that demotivation part I mentioned wasn't about the retirement age. It is about 1% intending to do work/business and the rest not caring about it
  • 1
    @rant1ng

    Though there is a bit of a connection, as I want to write a MMORPG to simulate a UBI environment to test human behaviour in, so any useful insights are helpful to design a better test environment.

    It would also be good if one could include sex and reproduction, then you'd get to model prostitution and choices people make and their genetic influence.
  • 0
    @Nanos

    I also want to simulate toilet time as well, as no one ever gives much attention to sewage design issues in games !
  • 0
    @asgs

    But retirement age and UBI are the same thing, just at a different age.

    Eg.

    Not working at 65 = Retire.

    Not working at 64 = UBI.

    I wonder if slowly reducing the retirement age and not calling it UBI could work fine. :-)

    Though in many countries, the retirement age is going up, since they can't afford to give it to people at the age they used to..

    Soon it will be pension at 99 !
  • 0
    @Nanos

    Or you could go the other way, call it "Pocket Money':

    15 and getting free money = Pocket Money.

    16 and getting free money = UBI.
  • 0
    @Nanos

    Maybe pocket money would stop poor people having kids..

    "I can't have another kid, as I can't afford to pay pocket money till they reach retirement age at 65 !"
  • 0
    @Nanos

    How much is that over a lifetime, about $2 Million USD ?

    So, first save up $2 million, then you are allowed to have a kid..

    Then it doesn't matter if the kid ever works or not. :-)

    Though if no one works, how does all the work get done..

    Which, rather ironically is the situation now developing in that we are lacking skilled people to do various jobs..

    Not because we lack people, but because we lack people unable to be trained to do these jobs..

    Though at the moment, we could fill the gap by training up some folk who are capable, and just currently unemployed.

    But eventually we will run out of those kind of people..

    But it is an idea I hadn't thought of before !
  • 2
    @Fast-Nop Prostitution won’t escape robotic process automation.
    Sex robots will be prescribed by doctors in future 😂

    https://dailystar.co.uk/news/...
  • 1
    even tho it has nothing to do with programming, it's nice to have an insight in problems one doesn't really notice much
  • 1
    @vane

    I guess the poor will have to buy 2nd hand used units, unless prescriptions are going to be free too..
  • 0
    Perhaps timeshares will take off again..
  • 0
    @Nanos Used sex robots for sale on ebay, hope I will make it to see it happen. 😂
  • 2
    @vane Though the feminist lobby will of course do anything they can to ban sexbots, under any pretext.
  • 2
    @Fast-Nop Fortunately proven by history free economy always win among any oppressive organizations.
  • 1
    @vane There are a lot of countries that forbid a lot of things like prostitution, drugs, weapons, and they aren't doing that badly. It's just that prohibition doesn't work that well in practice.
  • 2
    @Fast-Nop Yeah oppression always worked opposite to establishments desires.

    I think people should be allowed to do whatever they want, take whatever they want if it’s not harming or disturbing other people life.

    I would call it natural selection if someone kill himself by drug overdoses.

    We should at most ask people if they really want to live this way and then simply allow it.

    A great example from my life are medical recipes that are so fucked up for people who need to take medicine daily just to live on this world a little more time, nobody cares how many hours they waste to get prescribed medicine.
    All are looking at those stupid people who overdose, why not allow them and make life easier for others who suffer and are not stupid.
  • 0
    @vane

    > hope I will make it to see it happen

    I've seen it happen already !
  • 0
    @vane

    > free economy always win among any

    > oppressive organizations.

    I'm reminded of the game Diablo 3 which become oppressive when it got rid of its Auction House !

    Related link:

    https://blog.hoard.exchange/diablo-...

    > However, to understand why free trade

    > between gamers was such a failure

    > in Diablo,

    But it wasn't a failure, it is what made the game playable !

    Before, when it existed, you could trade those 12 pair of shoes you had, but didn't want, for a sword that you didn't have.

    Then, when they got rid of it, you was stuck with those 12 pair of shoes, and no way to get a sword easily..

    To address that issue they then after a while introduced free swords for everyone !

    Then it became rather pointless to play..
  • 0
    @Nanos

    Now LOTRO has an auction house, been playing that for 10 years !

    From above link:

    ----------------

    This meant that gamers could spend less time killing monsters to get the loot that they wanted. The game became more about the trading in the Auction House than actually playing.

    It wasn’t long before gamers started realizing that the game was no longer fun.

    ----------------

    No it didn't become more about trading in the Auction House !

    You traded when you wanted better equipment and it was available to buy, then you went and played the game and enjoyed playing it.

    Instead of struggling being unable to defeat enemies because of inferior gear..

    Which is what it is like in LOTRO, I've spent like 10 years waiting to get certain pieces of rare equipment, that hardly ever come up in auction !

    Now, if there was no auction, I'd wait like forever for them to drop by chance !
  • 2
    @Nanos Well Blizzard rant itself with their mobile Diablo game.

    Fuck those robots things are real. Porn industry was always ahead of the world if it comes to technology. They got video before youtube, chat bots before machine learning and now vr movies and sex robots. What’s next mind sex like in “Demolition Man” 1993.
  • 0
    @Nanos As for diablo 3 they fucked up loot system and there were to many good items on the market so most people didn’t playe and only buy stuff from auction house. That made toxic community.
    I played diablo 3 since first day and it was cool until they fucked up loot system because people complained that no cool items were dropping.

    If anyone got Ferrari, Lamborghini and villa with sea view it’s worth noting on the free market.
  • 1
    @vane

    Also first day player as well.

    To afford to buy stuff on the auction house, you had to play for a long time to earn the gold to afford to buy stuff..

    A few traders flipped items in the auction house, but it wasn't a thing everyone could do !

    Reminds me of Eve-Online and Jita..
Add Comment