I found the most awesome quote:
"Saying you don't care about privacy because you have nothing to hide, is like saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say"
-Edward Snowden
IDK about this quote. But im sure as hell glad to find it.
I now know what i will respond to stupid people that say i have nothing to hide.

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    Next you're going to tell me you don't know who Snowden is... 🤔
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    ignorance is bliss
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    Sadly I know people who would totally see this as a win.

    "True, I don't care, I don't have anything to say. If you care that's okay too. But how far do you want to take it? What's there to gain?"

    Then the manipulation starts.
    "Is this really what you think it is? He didn't mean that. Think about the fact that he has to think about everyone. From his perspective, he isn't wrong. You will have to compromise."

    The last one isn't really about privacy but more about work conditions.
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    These really aren't equivalent at all though; it is a terrible quote. I can feel I have nothing to hide now and will never have anything to hide. On the other hand even if I don't have anything to say now, I'm sure everyone would like to be able to say something in future.

    It's almost insinuating that people want to have the ability to hide things even if they don't have any they want to hide now...
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    @jolland This makes no sense to me. What about the opposite? "I'm sure I've got nothing to say, but I might want to hide something eventually"?

    "I've got nothing to hide" is how shit like China's crediting system comes to light. And in case free speech is the issue here, facial tracking in democratic countries is actively developed (although I don't recall anyone going to a ballot box to accept this specifically).
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    @jolland what's your bank account details?

    I need some extra cash, and you have nothing to hide right?
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    You may have nothing to hide today, but tomorrow they make some new law..

    Where I live you have thought crimes..

    It is really hard to keep up with all the news laws, practically a new one every day, some of them are like forum rules, they start out you can't do X or Y, and then morph into, you can't do anything !

    Actually, doing nothing is also a crime here too..
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    I'd also point out that people talk about having something to hide like it's an objectively bad thing.

    EVERYONE has something to hide. Every single one of us has information that doesn't want anyone else to know, whatever it may be, so anyone that says “I have nothing to hide” is either embarrasingly naive or an outright liar.
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    @ethernetzero but try explaining that to them.. it is unbelievable.

    I mean if even "your iPhone has a security flaw that allows any website to take over complete control of your phone and steal your data, you really should update it" is ignored... argh!
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    @saucyatom As with all things. Privacy is something that you dont realize how valuable it is. You only realize how valuable it is after you lose it

    -Haxk20 2019
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    @Haxk20 I'd say most only realize its value after the lack of it fucked them
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    @saucyatom Well yeah thats when they already lost it.
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    @Haxk20 Maybe they lost it in a leak. Maybe they lost it when they use a messenger that is not even hiding that they are sharing their data with the government. They will be fucked when the data is being used against them.
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    @saucyatom Yes exactly. But they dont see that you know. As i say the are too stupid to see it. You put it right in their fucking face and they just say nah.

    WTF is wrong with you people. We live in a fucking world where data about what you fucking do is sold on internet for thousands of $s and you just say nah ?

    This is fucked up.

    And sad part its that it is going to get only worse.

    I wont be suprised if girls will start to put their pussy on the internet as profile pic anytime soon.

    I mean they may as well since they post every god damn detail of their life and most of them have passwords that are just pure shit.
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    @Haxk20 If guess you can understand how conflicted I feel about using said messenger. The country my wife is in is blocking everything else (and they're really good at blocking VPNs), so it is that or nothing. Sometimes I try to forget it a bit, but at other times the feeling of being watched (it is known that at the very least the chat is monitored for some blacklisted words) makes me terribly anxious.
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