8
Ubbe
59d

This is why Linux is simply better. Ubuntu 20.04 is already significantly faster than 18.04.
https://phoronix.com/scan.php/...
With every version Linux get better. With every new version of winbloat you need a faster computer.

Comments
  • 16
    I putty people who try to compare the two or make it a pissing contest between them. They both have their uses and strengths and weaknesses.
  • 9
    Of course Linux is faster - because it doesn't do anything useful. ;-)
  • 5
    @Fast-Nop 😅shots fired.

    Ubuntu -> "lightweight" guis I top of the terminal, for most thing.

    Windows -> bastardised resource hungry applications on top of Windows Services that enjoy eating all my resources already.

    Your Peanuts to Watermelons comparison is a little one sided.
  • 1
    @Fast-Nop I'm definitely going to borrow this comment mate.
  • 2
    @pythonInRelay That's not true. Windows has only one singular advantage over Linux: Its market share. If Linux was as popular as Windows the advantage would vaporise like an ice-cream cone on the surface of the sun because software manufacturers would support Linux as well as Windows currently, no missing games on Linux, no shitty Linux support, no slow as fuck Linux ports.
    And windows only is popular because it has been popular in the past. As soon as this disappears: Bye bye this shit of a bloat software "product". (Which could, I know, need an eternity because it's a vicious circle...)
  • 4
    You're talking to a guy who's used both for 15 years. I'm aware of the differences.
  • 2
    @C0D4
    Ubuntu is lightweight compared to Windows, the same way a Mini is lightweight compared to a Range Rover.
    There's a difference for sure, but is it enough to matter, when you get run over?
  • 0
    @C0D4 And that's where the problems start - regarding GUIs as CLI wrappers usually results in crappy GUIs. Building the bricks and then a wrapper is putting the cart before the horse and results in bad GUIs. What this will get you are abominations like that one:
  • 2
    @metamourge mini's don't hurt much. Range rovers on the other hand.
  • 4
    @Fast-Nop this reminds me of the bulk rename util for Windows.

    3rd party software but same UI problem.
  • 2
    @Benedikt The Linux community has been pissing on users for decades, and that's the consequence. Delivered as ordered. *shrug*

    @C0D4 That's so bad that I was surprised it isn't open source.
  • 2
    I recommend Kubuntu. Ubuntu is lightweight, but the GNOME desktop environment is resource-heavy and takes up a lot of RAM. KDE Plasma by comparison is a lot lighter and sips less RAM (around 300-600MB max, depending on your RAM capacity). It's a lot smoother than Ubuntu, and of course, Windows.

    Kubuntu can work properly on a system with 2GB RAM. Nobody could even think of installing Ubuntu on a system with 2GB RAM and expect it to run smoothly.

    Here's proof
  • 2
    @Fast-Nop I'm sure there's an open source version of it somewhere that's just as bad, mind you it's an awesome tool once the overwhelming maze of options thrown at your face calms down.
  • 1
    @C0D4 Good software with bad UI is bad software. ^^
  • 3
    @Fast-Nop

    functionality ✅
    Usability ❌
    Usefulness ✅
    Should have been a cli tool ✅
  • 3
    @Fast-Nop Yeah, but atleast some Linux distros are being made to be as user-friendly as possible.

    Examples - PopOS, elementaryOS, Solus etc
  • 0
    @C0D4 It wouldn't be easier as CLI tool. It should have been done like with CloneZilla instead.

    That tool allows operation via CLI (nice for scripting), but it has also a wizard kind of interface where you can configure it interactively depending on what you want to do. The cherry on the cake is that afterwards, it also tells you the CLI options that you could have been using instead so that you can just copy/paste that shit into your script and be done.

    Good UI design is hard. It's not an option to just give up and use 467 CLI options where 25% of the combinations don't work together, 25% do something completely unexpected, 25% seem to work but fail silently, 20% introduce serious security problems and the remaining 5% are the gold nuggets in the pile of trash.
  • 2
    @Fast-Nop I have got to know the Linux community as warmhearted, extremely open and always helpful. On the other hand, every question I ever asked online about a Windows problem I had was either bombarded by "Eypert Windows System Administrators" stating I should a) call a professional, giving me their fee based number, b) do something completely different that does not solve my problem at all or c) never touch a "Windows© PC" again because I would know as little about computers as their grandma... or got no answer at all.

    But, and that's why your "argument" is none, neither your or my experiences in this field are universally valid.
  • 0
    @Benedikt The thing is, whatever goes wrong under Windows is MS' fault, even if the user just pulled the power cord. Anything that goes wrong under Linux is the user's fault no matter what. That's good for momentary relief, but has been harmful in the long run.
  • 2
    I don't understand this discussion. Whenever I have to use windows I get utterly confused and lost. Maybe just me but I can't see anything user friendly there. Already the start menu is so cluttered, slow and confusing that it makes me feel ill. And 10 is worse than the old ones in this regard.
  • 3
    @Ubbe On top of that, Windows upgrade is a harrowing experience for a person running Genuine Windows not having a Windows product key. If you haven't activated your Windows and you lost your product key somewhere, then you are stuck with that Windows forever. The upgrade assistant will NOT let you proceed unless you have a valid key, and even if you find a product key inside your PC using some tool, it won't work because upgrade assistant instantly identifies it as a default key and won't let you upgrade. So the only way to upgrade to Windows 10 for such a case is to suck it up, find a backup medium (such as a external HDD or SSD), back up all your data, and then do a fresh install of Windows 10. That's of course assuming that you could save enough to afford a backup medium. If you don't have even that, then you're screwed.
  • 1
    @Ubbe By contrast, Ubuntu just puts out a notification for an upgrade if available, downloads the OS and required dependencies if you agree to upgrade your OS, installs the OS and asks you to restart. Once you restart, bam! New OS, none of your data gets lost, and if there is some problem, you can scourge the web for some solution, and you are done. If you are missing some packages, either apt install that package or download it from launchpad or Ubuntu's website and do sudo dpkg -i package name.
  • 1
    You know guys.. Since shots are fired and we can argue about that in peace. I will share my linux expirience, from yesterday. This shows some strength and weakness.

    So my linux is on LVM, which, given some common sense I followed saved my installation.

    Im one of these who dont have time for fuckery around re-installing linux. I run debian and play games on it, and code on it. The first one is bringing a lot of issues - my laptop fans are constantly on low RPM - to controll it I need ec_sys module. Its not something I can apt-get unfortunately and I dont have patience to fuck around to compile kernel myself. I found some "debian-compatible" kernel with apt repo and all that jazz. I install it, and ofc my nvidia driver shits itself.

    apt reinstall?
    what about apt-fuck-you. Result same.

    apt remove nvidia-driver; apt install nvidia-driver?
    what about "oh sorry, I failed to configure it, sorry, fuck off".

    I battled it few hours, finally I had enough, gave up, and restored LVM snapshot.
  • 2
    part 2.

    So That's positive side of linux - it has jazzy stuff like LVM snapshots. Thats really cool stuff.

    But what frustrates me to point of fury, is that kernel out of the box isn't like "all modules", like in windows. You need support for something? Like ec_sys mod to controll fucking fans?

    oh good fucking luck googling `debian "ec_sys"` and getting something actually usefull.

    Reinstall driver?
    -> windows - child's play
    -> linux - pray to god of your fine choice your system will survive.

    Back to linux-positive stuff
    /dev/input
    I love it. It's well documented in linux header files.

    Still, windows is as easy to break as linux. I feel like Im walking on glass bridge. I try hard to stay on linux but Im so close to ditching it due insane ammount of frustrations, instabilities (like I play game and I get system regular freezes, tried KDE and Openbox hoping that's window mgr, nope) and just install windows 7 and be happy user of EOL system. Seriously.
  • 1
    **grabs popcorns**
  • 0
    @DubbaThony I can agree with your reinstall driver statement

    That process is shitty as fuck. Nvidia sucks ass when it comes to driver installation on Linux. Installing the graphics driver requires you to switch from GUI to CLI and close any graphical processes running on your system in the background. Then you have to switch to root user and run the driver setup that you downloaded from NVIDIA's website. Even then you can expect the setup to throw some kind of error in between and abort. The other way is to add a graphics driver repository to your system and then sudo apt-get install whatever driver your system is compatible with. Even then you have to pray to a deity that your graphics card is able to run in Linux.
  • 0
    @DubbaThony Oh, did I forget to mention that not only do you have to purge the old driver and use sudo apt-get autoremove to remove any remaining dependencies, you also have to check the DKMS folder of the system and make sure there are no Nvidia .ko files left, and if there are, you have to remove them to prevent driver reinstallation from not updating your graphics driver info.
  • 1
    There will be always this guy who will say "MAC FTW! 💲💲💲" to grab attention in a linux vs windows war
  • 3
    @StopWastingTime Fuck Mac. The only reason one may think Mac is better than Windows and Linux is because Apple has sole ownership of macOS and the company won't allow anything other than a MacBook product to run macOS. Because the models and configurations are so limited, devs can develop macOS to be optimised for running on MacBook products. Windows and Linux on the other hand, have to deal with variable system configurations, so any bottlenecks in the system configuration will seriously hamper performance and the user experience varies based on your system configuration.

    The problem with Macs is that they are so fucking overpriced. At the price of a MacBook Air, you can build a kick-ass system (talking about 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD, along with a Ryzen or Core i5 or Core i7, whatever you want) and smoothly run anything you want on it
  • 1
    @kakamble-aiims

    I agree 100%.
    I have absolutely awesome laptop for times when it was bought (2017). It was 2500$ (GPU price crisis :( )
    Skipping like all the fancy addons I wont get with mac like actual cooling that works (as long as you can controll fans **cough cough EC_SYS **). Comparable macbook (but without the GPU) was 2 times more expensive and it was with cooling that was broken and it was overheating until apple released hotfix that undervolted CPU (**facepalm**)
  • 2
    @DubbaThony Most MacBooks have that problem of thermal throttling because the cooling wasn't designed appropriately. As a result, the only way Apple could have fixed that was by releasing a hotfix by undervolting the CPU. While it was a shitty move, an undervolted CPU improves battery life of any portable device because it will use less power than a CPU at normal voltage. Otherwise you would have to invest in custom cooling solutions or build your own which is a waste of time and money
  • 2
    @kakamble-aiims

    Yeah, I know... I know how it works.

    IMHO there should be at least in macbook pro *proper* cooling.
  • 2
    @kakamble-aiims That's a basic Apple problem - they have abandoned the idea of "form follows function". Instead, they are going for "looks over function" to produce beautiful shit. That's something Microsoft would never do, albeit only because they don't even know what "beautiful" is.
  • 2
    @Fast-Nop

    Honestly beauty on its own is subjective. Not every1 likes apple esthetics.
  • 0
    @DubbaThony Sure, but Windows has always this aesthetic connotation with 1990s grey beige office PCs. But still, even that is of course a step ahead of Linux which looks like a Soviet tractor.
  • 1
    @Fast-Nop silly. There is no single look when it comes to Linux. Not in a million miles.
  • 0
    @Ubbe As with Soviet tractors - which were also stitched together from whatever was available. But their only driver issue was too much vodka, so that's there.
  • 2
    @Fast-Nop

    I love the "which looks like soviet tractor" part hah.

    I mean IMHO windows 7 was actually beautyfull. Than they fucked it up.

    Android JellyBean was beautyfull. They fucked it up.

    Heck, iOS ver. 6 and lower were beautyfull. They fucked it up.

    Honestly I feel like in uglycity hell in this day and age, and only thing that allows me to make it somewhat OK that ain't EOL is linux, and windows 10 with a lot of customization tools powered up (and ofc glass8 mod, must have)

    I just dont... I dont get it. I hate the current "trendy" styles.

    Sooo TL;DR all software in current day and age for me is just fecking ugly.

    Hardware wise, honestly I dont give a shit. I care about IO and raw performance.
  • 2
    @DubbaThony First, the hardware was shit so UIs looked shitty. Then there was a brief time window where hardware caught up, that gave us e.g. Aero under Windows. But then flat design happened, now everything looks like cheap clip art shit again.

    But that's a similiar trend overall, and don't even get me started on the abomination that is the "modern architecture" crackpot.
  • 2
    @Fast-Nop

    Ye, truth is that.
  • 0
    @Fast-Nop Flat design reminds me of Occam's razor - the simplest solution is often the best. Flat design was made for plebs (in the computer world) that don't want to navigate through overcomplicated UI in order to do something. We devs have been around computers for as long as we could remember, hence we can make do with what we have. Things that look beautiful to us might not look beautiful to a person who recently started using computers and he/she prefers to work on a system that looks simple in terms of UI.

    This is my opinion, other opinions may vary
  • 1
    @kakamble-aiims Flat design has also serious usability issues beyond taste - among others, lack of affordability. That's what material design tried to address.
  • 0
    Preparing for wave of hate....

    But I loved skeuomorphism. After skeuo only style I actually enjoyed a lot was android holo (light-blue + dark) and windows 7 (its hard to call it proper skeuomorph)

    After that... Ive yet to see anything that i wouldnt sum up as 'meh' at best, usually more like 'ouch. Thats really ugly'
  • 0
Add Comment