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Rate my PC plz. 10/10 would bang?
Too expensive? Should I change the processor? Halp..

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    Where is it?
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    If u would leave the bling out it could be cheaper with better components.

    Bronze PSU is imho a nogo. Get a better one with cable management... Going cheap on your power supply will be punished.

    Mobo.... Wait for B5** to settle and get one. More future proof...

    The latencies on your RAM are high. There are better options.

    Your case is quite pricey, seems you like colors. You could go that route or save 100 bucks to Invest into better RAM / PSU / Mobo.

    Which are 3 critical components.
  • 1
    What are you planning to use it for?
  • 0
    The specs are fine, but agree that you could likely shave a few bucks on the bling. You are likely paying extra every time they put "gaming" in the branding. Unfortunately it just can't be avoided a lot of the time. I try to avoid it as much as I can but half my stuff still is marketed towards teen fps players.

    Personally I swear by Fractal cases. It's the most robust, no-bs case I've ever had, and they sell replacement parts individually. The case isn't exactly going to impact performance, but if you will be getting in there on a regular basis it's a big deal if the case is awkward to work with.
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    Personally rgb is a negative thing but if you like it sure :)
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    What do you want with a 12-core CPU for gaming? Do you even have workloads that are that easy to do in parallel without being I/O bound?

    Also, a top-grade CPU and then an AMD graphics card doesn't make much sense for gaming.
  • 1
    Get a better power supply - seasonic focus gold or similar. Don't think you need 750w. Maybe 550-600w
  • 0
    Consider getting ryzen 3700x instead and get a better gpu
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    @IntrusionCM Definitely agree with all your points. Also, we have to know if you needed such CPU, especially considering it's a high-end compared to the GPU. A Ryzen 5 3600 would give you the same performances (more or less) for half the price.
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    Need more RGB, 3 seizures a day should be enough
  • 0
    Motherboard is a good one, I have exactly the same. SSD is also a good one but for gaming, you don't need NVMe, just get SATA and you will save some money. PSU is trash
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    And as @IntrusionCM said, get RAM with lower latencies. CL14 will do just fine.
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    Oh and definitely don't use the cooler from AMD, buy your own.
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    @lamka02sk Didn't see that, nice catch. I can't recommend Noctua and especially the NH-U12A enough.
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    As with all these things, depends what you want to use it for. Gaming and web browsing? CPU is way overkill. Deep learning? Almost certainly want an Nvidia CPU. CAD work / modelling? CPU is fine, but you'd probably want at least double the RAM.

    Plus, as others have said, depends on how much you value aesthetics.
  • 0
    Stay away from Asus. Change the motherboard for something else, e.g. MSI.
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    @kamen Oh yeah, MSI B450 where you can't even switch the onboard RGB off in the BIOS. Only from some Windows SW that needs to be always running. Amateur stuff.
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    0/10 has RGB
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    Get a non-rgb ram maybe and a 1tb hard disk. You don't want to store movies, images on an ssd.
    Forgot to add a CPU cooler ?
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    @mentions Cheaper CPU and 2TB SATA SSD instead.

    CPU cooler is right in the first item, though the stock one sucks for such a big CPU.
  • 0
    @Fast-Nop why do you want to ruin an ssd with so many read write cycles 😅. It's pretty useless for videos and images and backups
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    @mentions It's 2020, you won't ruin the SSD. Also, storing movies and images doesn't require many write cycles, and since when would read cycles ruin an SSD? OK, you should mount that drive with noatime, but that's about it.

    And backups shouldn't be done with an internal drive anyway.
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    First of all: How is this a rant? Isn't this smth for the question category?
    Second: Why ask on devRant? I mean sure enough we are devs, we often have a good understanding of what hardware we are working with, but aren't there any more suitable places for PC-setup questions? (There are plenty!)
    Don't get me wrong, I was in the same situation too (and will surely be again, sooner or later), but please avoid these kind of questions specifically in the rant section. At least that's my point of view.🤷
  • 0
    @Fast-Nop i meant write sorry 😅. backing up phones and stuff. One on the internal, one on an external.
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    @cb219 like facebook 😂.
  • 0
    @Fast-Nop What's more important - RGB or cooling? See my rants for more info.
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    Bro, you really need to listen to me:

    FIRST you do not have an upgrade path. Your system is dead, on the day you put it together.

    SECOND you do not know what priorities to set, this is evident.

    So I will explain you why I told you those both points. I will start with the SECOND point.

    When building a system, the overall performance and the overall stability have to be first priority. It does not matter how fast your RAM is, if the processor does not use it. It does not matter if you have 650W PSU if you only need 470W combined power. It does not bring any improvement if you use an ultrafast NVMe when you use Windows and so on.

    So let's come to an conclusion:

    - switch your motherboard and take an X570 board so you ensure an upgrade path
    - switch your processor to an Ryzen 7 and get the new generation after one year
    - RAM is fine, GPU is fine, NVMe is fine
    - switch your PSU to an 650W or max. 700W PSU, I would take the 650W Fractal Design SFX-L PSU, but it has only semi-active cooling I think
    - use Pop OS!

    I can guarantee you, the overall performance has not changed and has probably become better, the system stability has improved massively.
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    @kamen Switching off that RGB shit when shutting down the PC seems like a no-brainer. Also, I never had problems with cooling and my Asus Mobo, don't even know which one I have. Its silent mode fan control works nicely without any Windows software.
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    @shakur X570 sucks with the additional chipset fan. It's also so expensive that you can as well buy TWO mobos for that. If anything, B550 would make more sense if paired with a Zen2 CPU.
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    @Fast-Nop There is only one alternative an ASROCK X470 MOBO with 32 MB BIOS (256MB) which will get an update.
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    @shakur X470 isn't CPU upgrade proof either, at least not officially from AMD, and no mobo manufacturer guarantees that. However, if there's a discrete GPU anyway, i.e. no APU used, then buying a Zen2 CPU and pairing it with a B550 mobo is future proof, affordable, and doesn't need a loud chipset fan.
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    @Fast-Nop It is official, that those boards (B450, X470) who have more than 16MB ROM will get an update, and those who have 16MB of ROM may get an update, but possibly with less features.
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    @shakur Nope, the official AMD statement is that future Zen3 CPUs will only be supported on X570 and B550. Mobo manufacturers MAY support more, but that's what AMD put forth. It means also that AMD won't even test future Zen3 CPUs against X470 chipsets.

    Also, X470 in itself is a bad option because the boards are a lot more expensive than B450 for pretty much no added value.

    If future proofing is important, B550 is the way to go, given that X570 is too expensive. Also, B550 doesn't have that crappy chipset fan like X570.
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    @shakur any 400 board may not get the update, it depends on the manufacturer. But amd will provide the possibility for everyone.
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    @Fast-Nop

    Zen2 and Zen2+ will work, Zen3 may work, Zen4 possibly not, but AMD officially said it will give the upgrade path until 2022, starting from 2022 there will be a new socket, we may call it the AM5 socket
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    @shakur But then there's no advantage over B450 which also won't do Zen3. X470 is just a lot more expensive.

    B550 not only will allow Zen3, but is also cheaper than X470 so that there's abolutely no reason to buy X470.
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    @Fast-Nop it is really faster in I/O stuff and it is more stable, and it supports usually a wider range of processors, and usally it is capable for Ryzen 9, because of power design improvement, which is imho the reason for stability
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    @electrineer the bottle neck is the ROM size, AMD needs more because there are so many different processors and the new features also need firmware upgrades... in the end the issue of loosing track of the upgrade path is commonly based on the ROM size, most motherboard vendors will update their ROMs, because this will decide about their reputation
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    @shakur On the contrary. If AMD says "no Zen3 with B450/X470", board manufacturers will not provide BIOS updates for Zen3 because they can blame AMD so that AMD will have to take the PR flak.

    Then the mobo manufacturers can sell new X570/B550 mainboards (or whatever will be around then), which actually makes them profit!

    On the other hand, enabling people who already bought an B450/X470 mobo to just upgrade the CPU to Zen3 doesn't make profit for the mobo manufacturers.
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    @Fast-Nop Yes, that's true. But this is not Intel. AMD will use presure to enable at least the X470s to be upgraded. I assure you that the B450 won't get updates, but the X470s with 32 MB ROMs will be getting at least one update to enable Zen3.
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    @shakur Nope. In that case, AMD would have communicated Zen3 for X470, but they didn't, and it's B550/X570 only. That's what AMD said. And X570 sucks IMO.

    I mean yeah, they kept the AM4 socket as they promised. But hey, they never promised anything about the chipsets!

    So now that they have some success like Intel, they promptly want to be dicks like Intel, and the chipset loophole allows them to do that without breaking their promise.
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    @Fast-Nop

    AMD is not to be compared to Intel. The main reasons for this are clear, if we have a look at the actual data about AMD.

    AMD is a small company, it is 1/10 the size of Intel. AMD needs long term success to grow, not fast money, that ruins their run.

    AMD had a lot of trouble with motherboard and notebook manufacturers, because they usually refused to produce high quality boards for their sockets. AMD knows, that with their success they can get a grip on them and they also used technology for this reason they created the Firmware layer within the BIOS which enables faster development cycles and more control through AMD.

    AMD is in favour of the community, the community and the people within are their success not the investors, because the investors came after they already had success and gained reputation.

    AMD is investing a lot in research and development, their internal research resembles their products, which is not the case at Intel. AMDs internal development has possibly already switched to 'AM5' starting from this year on. They do not research on multiple technologies, but on one technology and multiple types of usage. See their APUs, which are in fact one technology, but have three use cases in Notebooks, Desktops and Console Gaming Stations. They do not have the money for three technologies.
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    @Fast-Nop amd promised beta bios for zen 3 on B450 and X470 after community backlash
    https://techspot.com/news/...
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    @shakur All nice and cosy, but I call bullshit. That has nothing to do with company size or technology. As a matter of fact, current B550 mobos do run the 3400G, something that AMD has ruled out. It does work - but it may be removed at any BIOS update. There's no technical reason for now, obviously.

    That has the funny situation that only due to AMD being complete dicks here, there are B550 mobos out there with board interfaces for internal GPUs (to be used by APUs) while AMD doesn't even OFFER any suitable APU that would be guaranteed to work!

    It's simply a fuckup on AMD's side. Typical for AMD - either their products aren't competetive at all, or when they have great tech, they do everything they can to fuck it up otherwise. That's why AMD is so small.
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    @electrineer Great news! At least they're learning.
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    @electrineer as I told, AMD loves their community and they will follow us, because we are the customers and the carriers of their success
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    @Fast-Nop as I told before, this is not AMDs decision, the motherboard manufacturers are sold out to Intel, they obey Intel, and until now they were bound by death penalties if they had done otherwise, now AMD gets a grip on them and this is the reason that starting from 2019 on the motherboards get better and better, I recently switched from an B350 to an X470 board, my god now my NVMe has 2900MB/s... and I use an Ryzen 5 first generation 1600... the speed is up by the factor of 10...
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    @shakur Conspiration nonsense. As I wrote, current B550 boards even support the 3400G although it's not Zen2 but Zen+, and AMD says "no, doesn't work".

    In other words, the mobo manufacturers who are allegedly blackmailed by Intel do MORE than AMD even wants them to do!
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    @Fast-Nop

    I think you have to think twice. AMD has a big competitor on the GPU market, who is friend and foe at the same time, yes NVIDIA. NVIDIA is using presure on AMD to disable APU support on motherboards, officially AMD has contracts that limit their current actions, they can not sell too many APUs due to restrictions from NVIDIA and RADEON sales. BUT inofficially they want all their processors to be RYZEN+NAVI enabled, this is also the goal that Lisa Su announced, they already started to write RADEON with the same font as RYZEN. What you guys think is 'free market', there is nothing like free market, it is all interwoven and you are getting restrictions and feel presure from competition even if it is just about key parts like chipset quality, sales entry troubles in markets and so on. Just think of ASRock they produce 200 motherboards but only a fraction of it is sold in Europe, because of sales restrictions. They are not allowed to sell the ultra cheap parts, because of price dumping, they would get issues with ASUS and MSI and GIGABYTE at production, political or market level.
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    @shakur Pretty wild story, especially that AMD can't sell too many APUs because of contracts with Nvidia. Source?

    Also, source that Asrock would get into trouble from their competitors rather than from their own owners for destroying the oligopoly profits?
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    What Linux distro are you going to use ?
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    This discussion is the reason why I only buy Macs for work and at home.
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    @Fast-Nop agree with you for the most part, but I'm going to point out once again that 5600XT and 5700XT are pretty kick-ass GPUs :p

    @OP you really want to invest in a better GPU though, that 5600XT isn't doing justice to your processor.

    Or just buy a dummy GPU like a RX 580 or something (you can get it for peanuts used) while you wait for both AMD and Nvidia's next generation.
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    @RememberMe it all depends on what they plan to do with the computer.
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    I really appreciate and value everyone's input.
    -I will be using it for gaming and programming.
    -RGB doesn't really matter to me since it will be hidden away.
    -I think I found a good atx case with good airflow and cooling.
    -I couldn't find better ram at 32gb and good price.
    -Most likely Ubuntu

    This is the updated build
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    @codecrow If you buy a CPU cooler anyway, try to get the CPU as tray version (i.e. without cooler), that may be a bit cheaper.

    And check the Asus QVL for the memory, and be sure that the memory is rated at that speed in 2 slots. Getting 2x16GB working at full speed won't be easy.
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    @codecrow that case doesn't look good for airflow. Air can't flow through glass, you know.
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    @electrineer Yeah the cooling concept is pretty bad. It blows air out at the back and takes air in through the panel gaps at the edges, rendering the front fans useless. It also prevents using dust filters.

    ATX means to get air in low on the front and blowing it out high on the back. And having a more powerful front fan than outblowing back fan to that there's a little overpressure in the housing, which is how the dust filters (fine metal mesh) at the front even can work.
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    @Fast-Nop pretty wild story? life is pretty wild
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    @shakur Yeah, but these claims are pretty remarkable so that I'd like to have a source for them. There should be some press coverage, comparable to the illegal shit Intel pulled against AMD in the Pentium-4 era.
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    @Fast-Nop @electrineer Yeh I was wondering that too but people were praising the shit out of it on reddit. So I figured it might have been alright. But after looking at further reviews, people just said the same thing, that the front fans would choke from lack of airflow.

    I changed the ram to 16gb at cl14 (32gb might be useless).

    And I changed the atx tower to something with mesh in the front and fans on the front, top, and back.

    I couldn't find a tray version of ryzen 3700.
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    @codecrow Really a white housing? That tends to look awful quickly. The 500 series is also available in black.

    Also, I recommend Scythe Mugen 5 as CPU cooler because it stays quiet. It's pretty high but will fit easily with the 500 series housing.

    And yeah, with 2x8GB, it will be easier to find RAM that works at full speed.
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    @Fast-Nop sure, a press conference about illegal things that Intel and NVIDIA are doing, good luck
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    @shakur Intel's shenaningans were well covered also at the time, and no, not by Intel's PR department. Since you havn't provided any sources for your claims even after repeated requests, I regard them as made up crap.
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    @shakur so? What is the source?
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    @Codex404 around 400 videos in YouTube that i watched...
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    @Codex404 and thousands of articles
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    @Codex404 and own research by comparison, and observation
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    @Codex404 look at the timelines and the events and the events that do not happen, inner knowledge of the industry, current scientific state and products and so on.. and on my humble knowledge of 20+ years
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    @shakur so can you link them?
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    @shakur can you link the articles too?
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    @Codex404 too much to search.. this is one year of videos, but search for boardpartner contracts, possibly this a good way to start
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