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shakur
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i cant believe in what situation we are in the current world, we were told everything will become better

- free care for ill people
- jobs that help everyone
- free and open science
- food that doesnt kill you
- technology that is for everyone

we actually hoped for something like star trek, but ended up in something like star wars

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  • 7
    At least it's not like Warhammer 40k yet.
  • 4
    We're going to need to be post capitalism for that. In star trek, that was enables by replicators and nearly free energy. It was also following plague, and war that wiped out most of the planet's population, starvation, shortage, etc.

    In the real world, it will need to be automation, free energy.
  • 3
    Star Trek will never be attained because it's funded on basically limitless energy plus replicators.
  • 1
    @SortOfTested I just hope that our kind will live for long enough to build a Dyson sphere. Yes, I watched Kurgesagt video
  • 3
    @uyouthe It won't. Once the fossil energy party is over, there won't even be satellites or air traffic anymore.
  • 1
    @Fast-Nop I think we'll figure something out by then. We have some time. Not sure how much time. But some time. Even though a majority of people aren't the brightest there are enough smart people to figure out big problems.
  • 1
    @Fast-Nop nah there are so many ways to get lots of clean energy if you really want to. Won't happen if we keep looking at short term cost tho.
  • 2
    @vomitmachine Knowledge is about using resources. No resources means nothing to use. We have used these one-time resources to make party, war, and overpopulation. That's it.

    @molaram Renewable energies will be all we will have in the long run, but that won't allow industrial civilisation because the energy density is too low.

    Solar turbines have already been tried in the 19th century - in Egypt. If that had been an alternative, that path would have been gone, given that Egypt never had coal nor oil.
  • 6
    @vomitmachine
    Not if we don't stop villainizing nuclear energy
  • 1
    @SortOfTested Fusion doesn't work, and fission puts nuclear waste for the next some 100k years upon future generations to foot the bill for our present. That's irresponsible.

    The only point of nuclear energy has always been to hide a considerable part of the cost for nuclear weapons in civil programs so that the voters don't realise how expensive these weapons actually are.
  • 3
    @Fast-Nop energy production by nuclear fusion already works. they (five to six companies around the world, the best one in south france) are just optimizing to create a stable energy production, which is currently limited to several milliseconds. the only issue currently is that they cannot keep it running.
  • 2
    @SortOfTested True for that. It doesn't help that sometimes we don't build them in the most responsible locations though. I'd really like to also get a glimpse at what the nuclear industry is like. I wonder if it's as lax as other industries. I know there's usually IT security teams for reactors, but I'm more thinking of the people inside taking care of the plant. Is it your every day Joe schmoe who happens to be working next to hazardous elements?
  • 3
    @Fast-Nop how bout solar and wave? also big fat solar power plant in space, I mean there's no need to dream of dyson spheres and black holes when a 500x500km solar cell farm in orbit can power an entire fucking country..that is, if someone much wiser than me can figure out a way to beam it through the atmosphere without hard-boiling all of us and our chihuahuas. And ofc if the US stop spending 15 figures a year on weapons and war and everyone stop burning fossil fuel.
  • 1
    @shakur Fusion has "worked" since 1952 in that sense.
  • 0
    @molaram Solar and wave are nice, but too dispersed for large scale industrial civilisations. Remember also the full chain from mining to production. That's why we have gone for coal and oil in the first place. And more pipe dreams about non-existing tech from space won't change shit.

    We're heading for a slow, but steady descent out of the industrial age. Time horizon: this century.
  • 1
    @molaram I would like for our country to have the most tanks. Keep the money rolling.
  • 1
    @Fast-Nop then maybe we can focus on nanotech which will eventually allow us to extend our lives indefinitely so we can move camp to alpha centauri or wherever.
  • 2
    @molaram We have already massively overpopulated our planet despite being mortal and thus have people dying off. What do you think would happen if we didn't die?

    And also, Alpha Centauri wouldn't change anything because if humanity can't sort out its issues here, it will fail elsewhere as well.
  • 0
    @Fast-Nop it "works", that's true, but I am not sure if you've seen the size of the devices, they went down from building-size down to a size of a around 20cm thick and 1m long energy tube ("battery"), this is the version of an US-american company, that tries to bully the other ones, because they also have similiar concepts ...
  • 1
    @shakur Even if they had a working prototype today, the time window is already shut. Just do a quick back of the envelope estimation how many of these reactors you'd have to build per year right now just to compensate for the dwindling fossil supply.

    That's something many tech folks don't understand - the difference between being able to do stuff in a lab and deploying it at large scale.

    We're better off building wind turbines and shit because while that won't support industrial scale civilisations, it's at least better than smoking the future in a pipe.

    On the other hand, without industrial fertiliser fuelled by fossil energy, the need for energy will be much less because we won't be that many people on earth in the long run. Not more than half a billion to a billion at most in three centuries.
  • 0
    @Fast-Nop ya but we can send all assholes and thieves and criminals there and mind our own business here happily without them. Pretty much what happened with america. Except they would probably get butt raped when they get there instead of killing everyone and taking everything and trumping up the whole place.
  • 0
    @Fast-Nop the time window did not shut, they were blocked from research ... and they block others by not open sourcing their research ... it it s a vicious circle
  • 0
    @shakur The time window is shut from what we have left as resources even if it did work readily in a lab. Please re-read my statement about lab. vs. deployment, that's exactly what it's about.

    It's really hard especially for tech folks to understand because we get tech stuff ready-made and are never in touch with the resource aspect of our toys.
  • 0
    @Fast-Nop just a question:

    do you think if fusion energy technology would be available to be implemented because of open scientific researh, do you think that at least more than those five to six companies would try to implement it?
  • 0
    @shakur Yes, provided the government would continue to fund this subsidy dumpster.

    However, the aim wouldn't be to actually deliver fusion reactor plants, but to set up the money scheme so that the companies would only go bankrupt after having funnelled the money into other holdings so that these can keep it.

    In other words, the point would be to make rich people richer.
  • 0
    @M1sf3t Elon Musk is just a space miner.
  • 0
    @M1sf3t bro, we have Folkswagen

    i filled my car in January
    i am still driving with the same gasoline and its July
  • 0
    @M1sf3t its a 2011 build Folkswagen Golf 6
  • 1
    @M1sf3t Peugeot.. we write the year 1941... .
  • 0
    @M1sf3t bro, i think you do not know where the nuclear bomb was build, it was not the US, it was from Germany and France,...

    the first rocket was built not in the US, it was Germany,...

    the first car was also not built in GB or US it was in Germany,...

    the first electro car was built not in US, it was France...
  • 0
    @M1sf3t i use gasoline (Diesel), but that damn car didnt use it up, since 6 months, i am driving around since 6 months, and it still has 40%
  • 0
    @M1sf3t there is a e-Golf... it is a lookalike Golf
  • 1
    @M1sf3t i can prove you, i wouldn't take a Tesla even if Mr. Musk would give it with his own hands,.. i always wanted the BMW i8
  • 0
    look at the image, THAT my friend is a CAR
  • 0
    @M1sf3t the i8?
  • 0
    @M1sf3t no i get your point, you like electric cars, i also do, i drove a BMW i3 and was starting faster than a Porsche, a Ferrari and another sports car at the lights, man those guys freaked out... heheheh
  • 0
    @M1sf3t just sit once in your life in an BMW i8 and drive it for 15 minutes, they'll have to beat you up to leave the car.. bro believe me thats such a nice thing... amazing engineering
  • 1
    @Fast-Nop The experts at a national lab specializing in nuclear said they can get that cycle down to 200 years or less. Just like any technology it improves the more you use and learn about it.
  • 2
    We should also be building thorium reactors to reduce the proliferation issues. Thorium is cheap, uranium, not so much.
  • 1
    @Fast-Nop Nuclear fission doesn't produce all that much waste. Especially when the alternative is basically heavily polluting fossil fuels. And there are many technologies to improve its efficiency and stuff which aren't really being adopted because of people frequently being blindly anti-nuclear. But it's a very good power source - mostly clean, runs on stuff which while not technically renewable is available in large enough quantities that it won't be a problem for ages (there will probably be fusion or something eventually, or space mining), and produces energy constantly.
  • 0
    I like the quote from the movie "the day the earth stood still":

    You say we're on the brink of destruction and you're right. But it's only on the brink that people find the will to change. Only at the precipice do we evolve.
  • 1
    @cephei except in real life most consequences of our actions are irreversible.
  • 0
    @M1sf3t fuck insects, go dogs!
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