Saw someone write LTT for "Let's talk tomorrow" and remembered Acronyms Seriously Suck email from Elon Musk


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    I immediately think of Linus' Tech Tips
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    @alexbrooklyn ....ok cool it's not just me.
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    Acronyms suck when you don't know them, yes. But you cannot deny that they make conversation easier whenever you understand them. The problem is when there's too many and they're excessive or even repeated.
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    @M1sf3t This isn't a high school movie from 2003, we don't use acronyms that way anymore bc that's not how they should be used. They're not meant to replace the words in an entire sentence, they're meant to shorten long phrases or commonly used phrases.

    I was on a gun forum reading the other day and instead of typing open carry or concealed carry, most people were using OC and CC. "I don't like to OC, because blah blah blah." Sure it's only two words, but that doesn't change the fact it makes things easier.
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    Talk about privacy of something that is apparently supposed to be company-wide only.
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    @M1sf3t the military shortens everything, not only the us military.

    In sweden there is a short form where the only difference is one vocal less in a a 7 letter word, so the short form is 6 letters ;). Its definitely not a help :)
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    @Voxera If it's a means to save data for connecting through something limited, sure, it'd make sense, but this is about e-mail or even spoken word.
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    How about acronyms in code? Most C code I have seen is written almost exclusively with acronyms.
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    I worked at a lab where they had acronymitis. I was talking to someone outside the lab. He didn't understand anything I said because I used 5 acronyms in one sentence.
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    @kamen i know, still saving 1/7 chard while making it harder to read? Its even used on name tags since its a work description ;)
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    @Stuxnet you're going to think I'm insane but yes, I actually do deny that. I don't think I've ever seen acronyms facilitating effective communication. To me, it doesn't seem like a net negative but just a complete negative across the board. I genuinely believe the only reason people use it is because they want to make a good impression. I feel the same way about Jargon.
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    @ArtOfBBQ Jargon is the way people speak in any field. It is about covering topics quickly and precisely.

    If I say memoization to a CS person they know exactly what I am referring to. Outside that field it is greek. If I call something FP in CS it means a style of programming. The full name is "Functional Programming". Outside the field the response might be "That means the code works, right?" In electronics an experienced engineer will know what a VFO is. Likewise, MCU, PNP, MOSFET, etc.
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    @ArtOfBBQ you are indeed correct, I think you're crazy. I also think your opinion is severely incorrect, however, you're allowed to be wrong, so it's cool. /s

    But in all seriousness, I do disagree but its personal preference I guess.
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    @Demolishun I agree that jargon sucks when you use it with the wrong person

    What I'm saying is that jargon and acronyms seem like a bad proposition to me even when you correctly guess that the other person gets it

    I think it's impossible for me to demonstrate it's useless. I've just seen hundreds of conversation with jargon and every single time I think "this is atrocious, these guys should just talk"

    I never ever hear communications like this:
    "use memoization there"
    "ok. lunch?"
    You need to talk more and clarify anyway, always.

    What I do see all the time is people going into a "jargon-swinging-contest" to 1-up each other with their amazing knowledge

    I guess you would agree that some % of people use jargon not to communicate effectively, but to look smart. I think this % is extremely high.

    I also think that some have cognitive dissonance - they start off using jargon to sound smart, and then they hallucinate that it helped them communicate effectively.
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    @ArtOfBBQ Don't assign motives to as intent. If I am in surgery, and my doctors and nurses use jargon to communicate precisely and quickly then I benefit. I sure as hell don't want them saying, "hand me the watcha m'call it!"
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    @Demolishun 2/2
    I'm currently working on an app to try and help people get started studying machine learning. The field of statistics is particularly awful with invented words and jargon contests.

    If you and me invent some random method together tomorrow, we need to call it the Demolishun-ArtOfBBQ method and everyone will just have to memorize that. It's ridiculous to me.

    My app is jam-full of jargon, even though I hate it, because if I don't explain what these invented words mean, my users won't be able to read the documentation of any machine learning library they want to use, nor will they be able to study more with other textbooks or check up on wikipedia.

    So I give in and expect my users to memorize an endless list of essentially useless words. I really hate that system and I think it serves no purpose at all.

    Software engineers have a culture where keeping things readable and understandable is valued and prized. I hope they never lose it.
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    @ArtOfBBQ Don't go into law. They memorize everything.
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    Yeah I don't think I could deal with it
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