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IntrusionCM6786311dIt's not stupid at all.
Money has no value at all.
What makes a 5 US $ bill worth 5 US $...
Trying to answer that question will take a lot of time...
electrineer18788311dThe current system is unfair, but it's not a total failure either. It's the best one we have at the moment.
Who would do the disgusting and annoying jobs if there wasn't any incentive?
In many countries there are laws that limit the working hours so that there is also time to have a life. Just having a job doesn't make you rich anyway.
SortOfTested24504311dCareful, you're tapping the vein of better things. Here's an experiment for you to conduct in daily life as you observe the goings on of people:
The situation you describe is a side effect of a post-scarcity society. In a post-scarcity society work and labor is not necessary in any scale resemblant the supply of that labor. As you might expect from the name, resources are so abundant that no one actually wants for anything for any reason unrelated to corruption. Many fictions present this scenario, star trek being a leading example.
Watch how people interact, and think about what things are offered to you. Think about advertising, and relationships and even your job. With each of these things ask yourself one question: Is this thing I'm experiencing driven by scarcity, or is it artificially trying to create or portray scarcity for its own benefit?
Fast-Nop34883311dThere's a huge difference between money on a scale that you can earn it though your own work (which allows you to buy goods and services), and big money, which translates into power, politically and otherwise.
Even for small scale money from your own work, it may not be sufficient for happiness, but lack of it will make life harder and suck more.
If you have to think how to pay for your appartment in the next months or get homeless, this won't contribute to happiness.
Also, I need private money despite public health care because I want to have better and therefore more expensive options.
I have one condition where I'm very happy that I can call up one of my country's best specialists and have a privately paid appointment in the next two days, which would not be available for people on public health care.
kleopi938311dwait, isnt that socialism?
didnt we see how great that concept worked in the past?
Money is not the root cause of your listed problems.
It is only worth as much as we individually value it.
Happiness mainly comes from how you look at life and whether you are able to surpass the bottom layers of the happiness pyramids. At the very bottom are your basic needs to survive.
If you have a job where you are constantly exhausted, the foundation of your pyramid is crumbling and not stable.
As soon as you are able to get a strong foundation of basic needs (food, basic money, place to live, health, intimacy/sex), you will feel more happy and you'll get to the point where you have more spare time for yourself.
Seeing money as the root cause of evil and misery is a really dangerous and short-sighted mindset (not meant personally).
ArtOfBBQ382311dYou're acting as if we decide how important people are by just looking how many green papers they have.
That's preposterous, dude.
We also consider other important factors like how symmetrical their face is, whether they keep their shoulders back and straighten their bak, how much space they needlessly take up, how loud their voice is, how long they can talk without saying anything...
Are you suggesting we incentivize things like "helping others" by heaping praise on that? LOL
/brb buying an expensive navy suit to make me look younger yet successful, wise & in control so maybe people respect me
devjesus2147311dam looking at all the above comments, and frankly, i guess i have to research more before i say anything next. But thank you all for putting out such thoughtful comments.
Its just... i still feel there's some flaw.. i on't know how to express it, but i still feel it is there. I will come back with better researched points on this thread some other day
Fast-Nop34883311d@2Large Well, one of the things that can go wrong can be summarised in the well-known saying:
People work jobs that they hate to buy things they don't need to impress people whom they don't care about.
@SortOfTested The problem of scarcity exists from the age of barter systems and that will always be the problem. A country might not have water supply , or another country might not have food bearing land. A medium to exchange goods and services is always needed. But the problems that come up with money are also not undeniable. its just that money has not given us a solution, but rather created unnecessary scarcities.
I have made 2 posts on this thing as of now, but am still searching for a better solution and the actual problems ^_^!
@electrineer I had posed a new rant and i feel like coming back to some questions now :
As you said no one would be willing to do a job w/o incentives. quite true.
As of now, communism gives an answer that everyone is mandatory to do some task for the society even if unwilling. but that's also a wrong answer.
But here is a thought what if all the software engineers and garbage pickers were both earning equally (or say $0) and their was an exam such that the toppers will only get an option to become Software engineer because not qualifying the exam defines your mind level?
Thus the race to have more money quickly become the race to have a better knowledge.
Also if every child is educated about the harms and benefits of being both a rag picker and software engineer, then some might even intentionally chose to become the ragpicker .
Today's education just shows the lust of money without considering the other factors
Fast-Nop34883289d@2Large That would also fail because the highly qualified people would be underpaid and emigrate. In communism, that problem is "solved" by putting a wall around it and shooting everyone who tries to flee.
Fast-Nop34883288d@2Large That has been tried in some communities. The very first problem they encountered is that exchanging services doesn't work anymore in a work-share society.
You can program websites and want bread, but your bakery doesn't need a website. So they introduce some sort of accounting that effectively acts as currency.
The only kind of society that doesn't need money is one where people do everything themselves and therefore don't need to exchange services. That society won't have anything IT related, so forget about being a dev, and go back to the fields.