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  • 1
    Did I just get hacked? It didn't open...
  • 1
    @c3r38r170 Check your host. You must be blocking Facebook's domain(s).

    This is on fb.com
  • 9
    Summary: "We are not bad, hmkay?"
  • 2
    Hahahahahahaha yeah right, fucking bullshit.
  • 5
    You know you're doing something right when you get that kind of response.
  • 4
    Fuck Facebook.
  • 1
    HAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAGGAGAGAAGGAAGGA
  • 2
    Seems like a pile of baloney and twisting words
  • 2
    Still it was a shit dramatic documentary
  • 1
    @theabbie You can't just put a series of bullet lists with numbers if you want to get the attention of the ones that needed to see it
  • 1
    @Jilano That went over my head
  • 2
    @theabbie he means Facebook is giving few pointers as response reason to an audience where data breach instances are much more and that that audience should be aware of.
  • 5
    1,3. they just admitted they’re changing shit like they want and impacting billions of people with it
    2. they confirmed they’re business advertising website
    4. confirmed that they only react to law changes and don’t give a fuck on their own
    5,7 they confirmed that they censor content so you only can see content approved by facebook ( see points 1,3)
    6. They just admit most of their users are bots crawling their website

    Just read between lines.
  • 2
    @F1973 oh, @Jilano I am bad with metaphors, You should talk in simple words
  • 1
    @theabbie lol it took me thrice before I understood it. And I agree. The documentary is okay-ish but still better than nothing.
  • 0
    @F1973 National Geographic makes much better documentaries than that
  • 1
    @theabbie Nat Geo has privacy related documentaries?
  • 0
    @F1973 Not exactly on this topic, but if they did make one, it will be much better than this
  • 3
    @theabbie "if"

    Until then let's not compare apples to oranges?
  • 0
    @F1973 yeah, but they have a history of awesome documentaries, so, we can expect better.
  • 1
    @theabbie have you heard about BBC and watched their documentaries?
  • 0
  • 2
    @theabbie grow the sample set.
  • 7
    @F1973 @theabbie Yes, but more than that, I meant:

    "The Social Dilemma" is not meant for technical people that already know all the manipulation and other shit that happen behind the curtains.

    It's for your day to day guy that is using mainstream social media websites (e.g. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc.). That one will not respond to the same thing that you do, hence why they used actors to depict certain situation in between the interviews: to make people relate to it, thus thinking a but more about how it affects them and not just brush it off as a fiction.
  • 2
    @Jilano So, I shouldn't have watched it
  • 4
    @theabbie Yes and no, it's up to you. It's always interesting to see what's happening around you, especially privacy wise, but you have to keep in mind who's the primary audience.

    Else it's like criticising a cartoon catering for children saying it's "childish".
  • 2
    @Jilano It clearly convinced people to stop using social media, strange how these tech giants allowed it's release.
  • 4
    @theabbie Even if just one were to stop, that would already be a good step, but the real purpose (in my opinion) is to make people talk about it. That's how it spreads and the more see it/discuss, the better (it has to be followed by actions at some point, of course).

    Regarding the second part of your comment, those "giants" thankfully don't yet control everything, so I don't see how they could have stopped its diffusion on Netflix (funnily enough, that one also like to get whatever data it can on its viewers).
  • 1
    Why the fuck should Facebook use WordPress?
  • 0
    @Yggdrasil is that made on WordPress? Lol
  • 2
    @Jilano I consider collecting data for better recommendations a good practice, it has downsides, but it's just about personal opinion.
  • 1
    @theabbie privacy and security are not your strong points, are they?
  • 1
    @F1973 Not for me, they can use my data if that benefits me, they can show me ads based on my activity and search history. They can train their algorithm to manipulate me. It's just amazing to witness how much machine learning has improved.
  • 2
    @theabbie the point is, it's being used in bad ways for corporate greed.
  • 0
    @F1973 Don't judge me, but I will wait for the worst to happen before boycotting all social media. Till then, let them benefit all they want.
  • 3
    @theabbie dig the well before there's fire
  • 1
    @F1973 Also like, I can't leave everything, had I seen this documentary when I 15 year old and didn't have access to internet, I might have been a different person today, now it's too late. I will just accept the fact that I am being used and manipulated, Till now they haven't been successful in manipulating me, but surely, one day, they will.
  • 5
    The art of manipulation requires unawareness of being manipulated.

    While collecting data might not be bad all, eg for usage statistics, it's the old age question: But will it be used solely and only for usage statistics? that creates a paradoxon.

    How can u evidently proof that on a shared resource like the internet noone misuses your data? Further: How can u proof that noone manipulates you?

    It's impossible. And we don't need to take the internet.

    Psychological manipulation is common - simplest example are supermarket jingles ;) They're stuck in your brain - with purpose.

    Saying you're not manipulated at all is pretty naive.
  • 2
    @F1973 Ooh now I get it.
  • 1
    @c3r38r170 lol yeah..
  • 2
    Seriously? Wordpress???
  • 2
    @IntrusionCM my grocery store starts playing psychedelic jazz/rock just before closing time. I stop what I'm doing and start listening instead of running away as fast as possible.
  • 2
    @theabbie What about creating an entire show tailored to what hey know you will like without you knowing? Where's the limit?

    As @F1973 said, once you'll "have your fill", it'll be too late to do anything.

    Source: https://nytimes.com/2013/02/...

    PS: It doesn't stop with just deleting/leaving social media (e.g. shadow profiles).
  • 1
    @IntrusionCM Not 100% true, if you repeat a fallacy over and over people will get beat down and start believing. That is how the main stream media operates. Its like putting vegetables on a child's plate. At first they may not eat it, but if it is always there, day after day, they will eventually eat it.
  • 1
    > We want people to control how they

    > use our products,

    Maybe if they actually provided some simple controls, that would work !

    How about start with something so simple, anyone could imagine it, alphabetical sorting of groups..
  • 1
    > we use them to show content that’s

    > more relevant to what people are

    > interested in

    How about a search tool so I can find what I want.

    It's so, designed backwards, its almost as if the people doing the designing have never seen things any other way.
  • 1
    > dedicating product teams to focus

    > on other areas like loneliness,

    Does that mean they will implement things last seen 20 years ago by the likes of Yahoo, where you could search for people within 1 mile of where you live to try and make friends with..
  • 2
    If any of you haven't watched the social dilemma yet, I recommend it
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