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frogstair
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Instagram stole all my data and is still unable to understand that I'm under 18 and not from the US stop asking me to vote

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  • 12
    Hey frogstair, don't forget to get out and vote! Vote early! Vote often! Request your absentee ballot today! 😸😸😸😸😸😸😸
  • 9
    It's not stealing if you create an account without reading the terms.
  • 15
    @theabbie Can’t legally agree to anything if you’re not an adult. 🌠
  • 3
    @Root But he is, and I don't think minors are allowed to have an IG account
  • 3
    @theabbie im not an adult, and you must be at least 13 to have an Instagram account
  • 3
    @frogstair you are old enough to read the terms and even if not legally, you know that it will happen. 13-18 year olds can take responsibility of their actions.
  • 1
    @theabbie yeah I know. That's not the point of my post
  • 1
    @frogstair It's not real human, maybe your actions resemble an adult from US so it thought you should vote.
  • 2
    @theabbie Likely not <13 due to child laws.

    But <18? Absolutely. That is most of their target audience, afterall. However, if you are under 18 you need a parent or guardian to sign/co-sign legal agreements for you. If you still sign them yourself, they are void and unenforceable.

    At least here in the US, but then again Facebook is based in the US, and therefore subject to US law.
  • 2
    @theabbie according to Instagram tos they are allowed to know your approximate location which is 100% not the US
  • 1
    @Root So, he should have a guardian to manage his IG account, he might have already broken a law.
  • 2
    @frogstair then it's a bug, or a reminder that one day you will be an adult and a US citizen and you have to vote.
  • 6
    @theabbie it's not illegal to sign a document as a minor, it's illegal to enforce a document signed by a minor
  • 3
    @theabbie Nope. Just the terms of service, which doesn’t actually mean anything.
  • 2
    @frogstair But IG assumed that it was done in adult supervision, it's not their fault if someone pretends to be an adult. anyways, you can report the ad and maybe you will get better propaganda next time.
  • 7
    @theabbie And even if he read the ToS/privacy policy...

    Research has concluded that mostly a university level IQ is necessary to actually understand the Facebook and Instagram ToS/PP.
  • 1
    @linuxxx Those are legal documents, they need to be complex so that people can't find loopholes. Maybe if they could give a summary with only points that may concern most users, then things would be better.
  • 13
    @theabbie Oh no, they don't need to be complex, the need to be easy to understand.
    Right now it'd take multiple weeks to even just read the Facebook ToS/privacy policy (this has been tested, yes)

    Actually, under the GDPR it is required that ToS's and privacy policies are human readable and understandable.
  • 3
    As long they don't advertise a candidate πŸ˜‚ Would be bad.

    Turkey asks emigrated Turks to vote and they're allowed. Terrible. Fuck off with your political campaigns in other countries
  • 7
    @theabbie oh yes it is.

    The reason a youth cannot sign a contract is that they are not expected to be able to understand the consequences.

    And for the same reason its the company that is responsible for ensuring that the youth has an adult to approve.

    Unless the youth falsifies some real identification all responsibility falls on the company.

    The reason they get away with it is that its very expensive to go to court.

    Most never dare.
  • 0
    @Voxera They would also require to prove that data has been stolen. Just because a relevant advertisement is shown is not enough evidence to accuse of stealing data. They don't sell data to any third party, so, they are doing completely fine as of yet.
  • 2
    @theabbie that might be :)

    I just pointed out that if a company signs a deal with a minor, its almost always up to the company to prove that a parent or similar has approved, and if their verification procedure is insufficient, the company is the one doing wrong, not the minor.
  • 1
    @theabbie They don’t sell data to third parties? Instagram? Really?

    It’s a free service with a gigantic user base. How else do you think they make money?
  • 0
    @Voxera The company asking age and the minor giving wrong age is company's fault? If it's supposed to be for adults and minors join by lying should be their own responsibility, we are giving too much benefit to minors.
  • 2
    @Root The advertisers tell them to show ads to people with specific interests and they show them as per the data they have. This can't be called "selling the data" as the data is used by them only, This indirectly tells advertiser a lot about the user, but, as far as law is considered, They are playing very safe.
  • 3
    This "stole my data" bullshit again =__=
  • 1
    @Root we all know that access to services which internally use that data is totally different compared to giving up the data itself. And I believe you do know that as well, but pretend to ignore that fact.
  • 0
    @iiii The companies in question sell access to the data (or the results of said data) rather than the data itself. There is absolutely a distinction between these, but I think it gets lost on the average user. There are also a lot of companies that do sell your raw data, and most companies that store said raw data have had serious data breeches, which means that user data has been sold and resold.

    It really isn’t much of an oversimplification, and it is a hell of a lot easier to understand that way.
  • 1
    @Root it's much easier, but too far from what actually happens.
  • 1
    @theabbie might be but thats how the law is written out of the opinion that minors cannot really comprehend the severity of their actions, and scientists agree in this.

    Its not until around the 20:s the average person can be considered fully grown.
  • 0
    Read pointless whole debate #7 today.
    Boy! I'm jobless during the meetings.
  • 2
    @Voxera even adults cannot comprehend the consequences of those agreements as they are written in lawer gibberish.
  • 0
    @iiii I know ;)

    But without the adults there are none left :P
  • 0
    @Voxera law bots πŸ™ƒ
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