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Software Devs are less supportive than the community tries to convey. They're also part of the most self-deluded and obnoxious crowd that exists on earth.

Someone saying they don't enjoy coding 24/7 outside of work? You actually enjoy totally different hobbies that have next to nothing to do with coding?
- Shitty developer, you should probably work elsewhere. Maybe flipping burgers.

"Coding in <Framework X> is SO friggin' easy. You're basically subhuman garbage if you can't learn it within a month!"

Watch some YouTube Videos with the "Freelancer Success Stories" of dudes that haven't - apparently coded, ever - and started to code late in life and tell you how perseverance and learning brings the success and yet you never see any repos of those guys. You see those guys mostly go on for up to half an hour to regurgitate some hot garbage you can read up within two minutes yourself from ANY coding blog.

You're not using a macbook to develop?
- "Oooof, man! How can you?"

You don't really like "Popular Framework X"?
- Especially when it comes to Frontend Frameworks prepare to either die on the hill of your beliefs or die a futile and slow death when people - more or less - snarkily try to dissect your opinion in order to try - again, more or less - to hide their own bias. Because don't forget, your opinion is OBJECTIVELY wrong and you simply happen to a garbage developer for (dis-)liking something.

You DO like "Popular Framework X"?
- Well, rinse and repeat basically.

You struggle to get a new job?
- All your fault. You clearly didn't spend enough time coding; you should have at least 12 Open-Source Projects with at least 100k downloads the week.

There is actually a whole lot more, but I feel I'm basically done with software dev. Software development is neither creative nor terribly fun. I'm just angry at myself that I switched careers for the money.

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  • 8
    You are just angry. These are pretty normal and not unexpected at all

    If you quit Dev career owing to such bad experiences, I'm sure you'll be angry with life in general, too

    Chill, relax, take a vacation, don't pay attention to naysayers, believe in yourself, have set goals, work towards them, and keep iterating. Just because dogs keep barking on the streets, it doesn't mean you should not travel by that road

    Alright! Enough lecture
  • 5
    Wow, so salty. Yet I understand your frustration. Unfortunately, all of what you describe is part and parcel of being human. Self-deluded and obnoxious. Devs are no different. I also think it does kind of get magnified in the dev circles, since so many are so very insecure (basically imposter’s) no matter their level, and seems like we have something to prove - to each others and to ourselves - to justify ourselves, that we are good enough for our glorified status as devs.
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    @100110111
    Always and genuinely happy to read your comments. But yeah, I'm salty. Software Dev is already a convoluted mess, employers expecting you to become a master in all disciplines, sacrifice every waking hour to learn... everything on your own time and yet you have fellow Devs that make people like me feel truly bad about themselves.
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  • 4
    WRONG! I prefer love and realism over anything else. If you think otherwise, you clearly like react.

    And react just, isn’t working these days.
  • 4
    @bagfox
    You made me chuckle, thanks for that~
  • 1
    @angry-ak there are companies with better deal, I know I work fore one where working overtime is not an accepted normal and will get you a call with the manager.

    You work your 7 hours and then you are expected to stop for the day.

    I also know that many are not as decent but they do exist.
  • 9
    Some software devs are dickheads. Most aren't. If you're surrounded by people like this, then look elsewhere.

    Personally I meet this crap head on.

    "You actually enjoy totally different hobbies?"
    "Yeah Stan, we're not all mindless morons that code 24/7, go figure."

    "Coding in <Framework X> is SO friggin' easy."
    "Ah, look everyone, we have a <X> fanboy."

    "You're not using a macbook to develop? How can you?"
    "Yeah, once you get beyond novice level you can code on anything."

    Does it make me friends? No. Do I want to be friends with dickheads anyway? Also no.
  • 4
    @AlmondSauce Macstatus always turns me off.
  • 2
    @mysth 😢it's ok to be a good enuf Dev, Ralph would be proud right now.
  • 2
    Software devs are less supportive then this community....

    No shit, egotistical assholes come in many shapes and sizes and not just in development, but that doesn't make us all bad people.

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    Someone saying they don't enjoy coding outside of work....

    This is a hard one, Great devs do, good devs do a little, shit devs don't - this is from my own experience.
    Then again, the dev that didn't code outside of work, was more social then the ones that did, go figure.

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    Using framework X is easy.
    Well yea, if you used framework Y, C, J , M, O and T before hand.

    A lot of frameworks have the assumption you've used a lot of frameworks in the past and already k ow what's going on.

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    Watch some YouTube videos....
    How about you don't, that's going to get you having imposter syndrome and always feeling like your not good enuf. @mysth already summed that up!

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    You're not using a MacBook to develop....

    So Fucking What!
    I use windows machines, I don't need to be hand held in making my machine do the job I need it to do. I've got no issue configuring environment settings or PATH locations to make cmd recognise a script I just wrote.

    ----

    I could continue, but there's a counter argument for everything you have a problem with, you do you and fuck what anyone else wants to judge you on, no two devs are the same, and that's a good thing.

    Just be the Goodest enuf Dev you can be.
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    OP getting boo-ed despite being right: https://youtube.com/watch/...

    hope you got decent TC, funny thing is many of us wageslave codemonkeys carry on with sub par TC, best of luck and hope you find success and happiness regardless of what you do
  • 4
    Wow, way more apologists commenting here than I ever would have guessed.

    Personally, I think you are largely right, there is a lot of negativity in this field. More than other fields? Maybe, maybe not, that's hard to say.

    But, as someone else pointed out, the reason is largely insecurity. I mean, we work in a field where things change, like, day to day, and if you don't keep up you're at risk of losing your job, and I DO think that's worse than most other fields. That makes it a tough gig emotionally. Some people react by trying to tear others down in the misinformed belief that'll make themselves more secure.

    In truth, being a dick is what will get you canned more than not knowing "The Latest And Greatest Framework X" will. People not wanting to work with you is what you want to avoid, not being ignorant of technology X.

    I wouldn't quit though. Just learn that most difficult of skills: who to ignore and when. Easier said than done, yes, but a critical skill, in life generally.
  • 3
    I find the less supportive devs usually learn their lesson as they get older. Maybe not all of them, but anyone condemning you for having an opinion on libraries, frameworks, technologies and the like should eventually realize that technology is a fast evolving field and whatever they thought is amazing today will be legacy BS in less than 3 years... and the only way they will learn it is by being in that boat and becoming obsolete themselves.

    same for your other arguments. I'd even argue that you're very likely to bump into people like this specifically because this field is still booming and is saturated with young naive people still. He'll I'm still a young naive dev, I've been doing this for long enough to know some of the common pitfalls but only time will show me which other of my opinions are wrong right now...

    in short, I totally understand your frustration, but you can find peace in the know that they will (probably) realize how dumb they once were, everyone is!
  • 4
    @Hazarth I'm old(er) and naive, that's my issue. I challenged myself, went back to college, got my bachelor's in order to better my life circumstances. I spent (I avoid the word waste for now) years of my life and sweat and tears. I know I'm not even mediocre, I just get my job done and try to better myself each time when I learn something in the context of my applications or even out of my own curiosity. But being exposed to the Dev world has shown me a whole lot of awful stuff. It feels hostile, elitist with little regard for people who simply don't feel like offering their entire being to this fast-changing world. I'm not shaming the ones who do, it's great to be passionate but the Dev World seems to have an incredibly intense dislike to everything that doesn't live up to their perceived standards.
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    @angry-ak Society teaches people they don't have intrinsic worth. So people seek out worth in material pursuits. They define themselves by what they have or can do. This is a belief system that will collapse when life happens that upsets this world view. If your worth is tied to personal gain then you must be worthless if you lose your job, or all your net worth. This also affects how others are viewed around them. They see people as obstacles or tools as they are obviously worthless.

    In my opinion this type of world view is false. However, it is everywhere. It is sad.
  • 1
    Honestly I hate my MacBook. My gaming rig with 4x monitors works much better. Window management in windows is so much easier when your full screening everything. None of this dizzying swipe swipe and which app is that?
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    @angry-ak

    It's just my guess, but possibly it's because most of us are somewhere on the autistic spectrum... I was never diagnosed and I'm pretty functional, but I have always struggled with emotions. Sometimes watching someone else work who's clearly not into the field makes me same amounts sad and frustrated. I think I understand where that elitism stems from. We're a competitive bunch with a lot of repressed emotions due to our inability to express them properly... or something...

    I don't know, maybe that's just my case thought, I don't want to generalize this to all software devs when I don't know them... but what I do know is that the best ones I know have some sort of visible autistic trait...
  • 1
    Today I learned devs are sometimes good at philosopical debates.
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