I just saw a LinkedIn post where some guy suggested to fix gender bias in Google Translate by a few lines of JS code replacing every "he" or "she" by "he/she". Damn, give that man a Turing award, he solved the problem of biased models!!!
I love that his solution is completely contextless and will allow men to finally have periods and give births. Also, that the idea of bias embedded in models in general is completely lost on him.

I love that he finished the post with "Now we can start focusing again on well-posed and relevant problems such as unequal wealth distribution, child education and pollution."
Which is basically "who cares about gender issues? Women to the kitchen, I just want to get rich!"

If you're looking for good ideas LinkedIn isn't it ;)

I canceled my LinkedIn account after some of their woke shit they pulled. It was never useful to me for job search. And now that any social will be counted against you it is just not worth having an account.

@N00bPancakes I follow a few researchers there, but the feed occasionally gets polluted.

@Demolishun Really? I got a lot of job interviews through LinkedIn, and invitations to interesting events. I have FB under a different name, so I have avoided nosy HR so far.

sure love changing words like "comprehend" to "comprehe/shend"

@NickyBones Its possible I was using it wrong.

I left because the platform was actively promoting racism toward certain groups. Wokism says its okay to be racist towards white people. As if that was a race. I won't be affiliated with that.

This sort of shenanigans is going to result in a split internet.

The platform also sold my information and I was receiving spam as a direct result.

@LotsOfCaffeine Lol engineering at its finest

What about gender neutral? I feel offended!

@petergriffin not everyone is neutered.

@Demolishun The information selling is pretty severe. I've seen woke shit and downright medieval shit on LinkedIn. I just unfollowed these people, and chose carefully who I accept as a friend. A lot of research work is published there and for me it's a more comfortable platform to read than Twitter.

@petergriffin I want to be addressed as small tracked vehicle, but only on Wednesdays that are also legal holidays.

@NickyBones The existing classism leads to inherited elite status, which leads to clueless elites detached from reality, which runs the society into the ground, and women's rights along with it.

@Fast-Nop I'm sure some DevRant Devs can write a script that will address you as you please, if you so kindly provide them with a config file of your preferences :)

@Fast-Nop What classism? My dad says I'm a princess :)

@NickyBones That the class you was born into decides your life. Such as in, the most important factor about your income is your parents' income - which is the current state of affairs, and that's among the things that the guy likely meant with "wealth distribution".

@Fast-Nop My parents were pretty poor when I was born. Western world poor, but still - could barely pay rent for a mangy 1.5 room apartment. They upgraded pretty drastically in 30 years.
And their case was not terribly uncommon. There was a whole generation of kids that were born to Holocaust survivors, who truly had nothing. And the second generation kids flipped their socio-economical status like 180 degrees.

@NickyBones You know better than many here that anecdotal evidence is not a valid point from a statistical point of view.

There are also people who win the lottery jackpot, but that doesn't change the observation that the expected outcome when playing the lottery is a net loss.

@Fast-Nop A country is hardly an anecdote. You can also see a very similar trend of social mobility with Asian immigrants coming to the USA. The Asians who immigrated had simple, low paying jobs, but the third/second generation dominates the best universities in the country.
I don't think classism is as straight forward as "you will be what your parents are".

@NickyBones That's IMO selection bias because it doesn't actually say anything about the majority even of Asian immigrants. It only samples those among them who made it.

This is also how these nonsense stories of successful entrepreneurs come about. Work hard, think out of the box, be daring. Yeah, and 99% of those who do that fail, but that's nothing you hear much talk about.

Meanwhile, what did some Paris Hilton even do to be that rich? No matter how much you work, you'll never be on a par.

It gets a lot worse when looking at how that dynamic works out in politician families when the only point why someone becomes president is because one's father was one. Or tries to because one's husband was one. The headstart you get with all these connections and money right away is just invaluable - and very dangerous for the society.

@Fast-Nop I am not talking about becoming Bill Gates. I am talking about having financial stability, which in the western world is achievable with hard work. Going from having nothing, to owning a house and a car is totally feasible within one generation.
The ideal, to me, is that everyone could afford food, housing, medical care and education, not that everyone will be swimming in a pool of cocaine wearing 24k golden bikinis.
Anyway, I always preferred Nicky on Paris :)

I'm not sure whether I needed that much cringe in my life as this post gave me... Those snowflakes are so annoying

@NickyBones Since big money equals big power, what this guy is talking about is a structural problem that impacts the whole society. That's just a much higher level of importance, so he is actually right.

Don't believe for a second that Hillary would have done anything to improve the miserable life of female supermarket cashiers just because they share the same sex.

It's a shame that the gender/identity/race debate has basically stopped the class debate. Arguably, that was the objective.

A lot of languages have a common word for He/She. It's so unfortunate that in English, we have to either use he or she.

Cause, when we want mention God, we have to use He in English. But God is not an animal of lower sex. But because, English doesn't have a better word/pronoun, We are forced to use a certain gender to describe a certain entity.

So, in general, the problem is in the language, which we can't fix of course. And Google translate just tried their best to mimic a language as far as it could.

@Nanos I will never abuse a plural pronoun for a single person just because some snowflakes got a meltdown.

@Xoka there's a magical word in english: it. Use it.

@Xoka also, I dare you to try to fix russian language, in which every noun has its gender: either masculine, feminine or neutral and that's the core of the language ingrained in every word and every conjunction. I dare you to fix that.

Such people don't allow us to store Gender as a Boolean

I mean, that isn't too far from real life. Y'all see the thing about Google image recognition labeling black people as gorillas? Google's solution was to switch off the label gorilla...

@rutee07 is "siya" a third person pronoun or a second person pronoun?

@rutee07 My English favourite is "piece o' shit".

Sounds cool, can be applied to both things and people, works on both dicks and cunts, no racial preference, and factually correct in 95.34% of the cases, statistically.

@Fast-Nop I'm not from the states, and even if I was, I could never bring myself to vote for Hillary.
But I know, that nobody cares about my struggles but people that go through the same experiences that I go through. And that "wise guy" on LinkedIn doesn't give a shit about what women go through, he just wants a structure that will allow him to become super rich and buy young attractive pussy.
I've been around these politically-socially-climate oriented circles enough to know nobody is going to fight my battle.

@iiii BTW, the magical word "it" is not nearly as good for calling God.
& I don't know russian :/

But my point is: we can't fix a language. Human language is not an open source project that we can just take the code, edit and compile. So, why bother trying to fix something that we don't have control over?

@Xoka why isn't it good for god? "It" just refers to a singular third person.

My point is: "fixing" a language is pointless and pretty much stupid.

@Xoka The issue is not about having gendered reference to objects (like the sun is a female/male). It's about models associating characteristics with gender/race/whatever. If your model associates intelligence and success with white men it's not something that steams from the language, it something that steams from the data used. If you make sure to train on data that also include example of women/colored people/pansexual androids that are scientists, doctors and lawyers, your model would learn that this professions are not solely for a certain population.

@NickyBones
> "Now we can start focusing again on well-posed and relevant problems such as unequal wealth distribution"

Maybe that means his next JS script will be to change "poor" with "wealthy/poor" 😆

@cafecortado omg, this is gold!

@iiii why "it" is not good for God? I can't explain but it just doesn't make sense to use "it" for God.

For an example:
"Your father is a great man! It's mother is a great woman!"
See how dull it sounds? :/

@Xoka why doesn't it make sense? 🤔 God is not an animal so it does not have a gender

Example is unrelated

@iiii Because, When we are addressing someone great, like father or mother, even then we don't use "It", think about God, the greatest of all. For someone great as God, "it" doesn't apply for Him. That's why, we use "He" for God.

@Xoka it's weird to use "it" only because you're used to gendered pronouns in english.

Also, I do not share the fascination with a folk tale.

@iiii well, whether you believe in God or not that's your problem. If you hear a news, "there's a tsunami coming" & you're like, "why should I believe it? It's depressing. I'm just gonna play my video games", then you're gonna be the one dealing with it's consequences. You don't get to say, "I didn't believe it because this and that"

& Whether God is a folk tale or not, you'll know it eventually, & it might be too late

@Xoka stop the preaching. It's annoying

@iiii I never mentioned you to follow the XYZ religion. How come it's preaching? & If you can call God a folk tale, I can definitely call you a stupid moron.

@Xoka it is definitely preaching even if you don't mention any particular religion. A preaching of any religion against atheism.

To be fair, stupid are only those who believe that folk tale is a depiction of reality, and not just a folk tale.

If you're so vulnerable that you've started insulting someone over your religion, please stop and get away from the internet. It's a very hostile place for such vulnerable souls.

@iiii you remind me of the stupid teacher's story.

Teacher: Can you see God?
Student: no, I can't
Teacher: So, God doesn't exist
Student: can you see your brain?
Teacher: no
Student: so, your brain doesn't exist

You think you know a lot? Most of the scientists were not atheist. They believed in God. You think, you know more than them?

On what ground you're saying God is a folk tale? What scientific discovery you have done so far that proves that God doesn't exist?

Pretty sure, apart from saying bullshit you haven't even done any research on this. Do your research first. Pretty sure, if you do it properly, you will be ashamed to call yourself an atheist.

@Xoka stop the preaching.

@iiii you go to sleep man! You're spewing bullshits!

This convo got weird. Anyway, who's read foundation?

@Xoka Berating people over what they don't know anything about doesn't win points with people. It just solidifies their opinion that the path is fraught with trepidation. It doesn't matter how many books, texts, or discoveries have been made about a subject. People will reject it because they were convinced at an early age (before 30) that it was a fictional story. There is a concerted efforts to squash any non science based belief system in the colleges. This is a shame as people exposed to this indoctrination are missing out on a large part of the human experience.

@Demolishun truth be told:
@iiii was the first one to talk bullshit, calling God folk tale. If I was the first one to call him "son of a bitch" ( which is not entirely false BTW, since most atheists believe they came from evolution, they must also believe their ancestors have been dogs or something ), I would have apologized. But since he started it, don't you think, he should be the one apologizing for spewing bullshits in the first place?
For turning this post into something entirely different from it's original purpose?

@atheist I have read Asimov's Foundation.

@Demolishun I've had my atheistic belief by myself in the middle school, long before any so called "scientific preaching". And it was born out of just sheer absurdness of religion in the eyes of a child (me).