I've been getting hostile vibes for being Israeli from a German guy in the lab. Consistently, it's not the MENA people who take issue with it, but the "enlightened" left-wing westerns.
Haters gonna hate, but I finished porting my NMCL to c++ and it's x25 faster than the Python version. Hopefully, I can do a live demo on the robot next week :)

lets see what happpens when missiles fall on your city...

@magicMirror Ideally, I would prefer no missiles falling on any city. I just don't understand why nationality or politics should affect work relations.
It's a robotics lab, not a political science debate club.

Politics. Has. No. Fucking. Place. At. Work.

Included in this rule is especially not clusterfuck topics.

I have not found anyone of leftish persuasion to be enlightened in any context. Usually ignorant as hell. I am sure I look the same to them.

@IntrusionCM say that to nationalists. For them politics has place everywhere.

@Demolishun probably because political left is about personal freedom and that freedom includes the freedom to be asshole.

@iiii Germany.

When you come in the kitchen and certain ... Bastards ... Are talking about how they need to imprison their wives so they don't get raped by immigrants.

Had all that. And other "fun" stuff.

I just want to fucking work. If I could, everyone would get a number at the start of the job and everything personal was strictly forbidden.

Sad, but seems like the only way you don't get to know certain people's personality which makes it very hard to work with them...

@IntrusionCM a number? Employee XXX?

@iiii Yes.

@iiii Actually it isn't about personal freedom. It's about being just as whatever the authoritarian left orders you to be, no questions asked. That's why communism hasn't been about personal freedom anywhere.

@NickyBones That's because leftists hate nothing more than successful people. Let's be honest, there wasn't anything going on in the Israel area except some camel-fucking towelheads, and leftists project their loser self-hatred on you by proxy of Israel's success. Shalom from Germany.

My family has already told this to my uncle living in New Jersey: if you actually get attacked or really harassed for being Israeli, then come back to live in Israel because that’s where he belongs, plus it’s protecting his kids as well.

אל תפסחי על זה, כי כרגע לצערי אין לנו מקום אחר. התמונה שלנו נהרסה יותר מדי ועכשיו צריך לשקם אותה.

Stay safe.

Good for you Ms. Bones! Fuck politics, hail C++!

@OmerFlame Nah, if he was expecting to get a submissive Jew from the 30s-40s, he had another thing coming. I told him if he says something nasty again, I will drag him. Some people in Germany are still not OK with making Jews uncomfortable in Germany (again). My professor is one of them.
I can imagine how this discussion will unfold.

@IntrusionCM *Imprison* their wives to protect them from immigrant? Oh wow how prettily xenophobia goes with misogyny.
Damn I need a man to tell me to the fuck at home because I have no tools to handle the world outside.

@Fast-Nop I'm a lefty but realize my optimistic and hippie ideas are not gonna work out in the middle east. At least not soon.
To me, EU leftism always felt like a chance to be superior and condescending. They see Israelis and Arabs as savages fighting like it's still the middle ages, and we need their supreme intelligence and divine moral compass to guide us out of a conflict. Hmm, no.

(kinda OT rant) I'm sick of this one-dimensional left-right bashing. A political compass needs at least two dimensions to tell me anything worthwhile. Personally, I am rather anti-authoritarian and I don't like the Authoritarian left much more than to Authoritarian right, even if I'd consider myself left from the center.

@NickyBones Yes. Imprison. Not a typo.

I literally walked in, thought I had suffered a stroke, listened for 2 mins more as I had to wait for my coffee, got back to my desk and quite literally wanted to quit my job. Cause there were roughly 5-6 coworkers sitting at that table laughing about it.

@NickyBones
1. Politics and work. I have stories...
2. The whole Israel/Arab problem originated from european interference. started 2000 years ago. They can learn from history, and fucking stop it.
3. Being leftist is good, when you do it sitting on a couch at another place. But when you actually have to dodge bullets/missiles/stones - those don't care about your opinion. You will be hurt.
4. I'm originally from the Otef. There was a moring about 6y ago, when A Qasam missile hit 40m from where I was sitting in my car on my way to work. Thing like this changes your world view.

@NickyBones sorry to hear you got flack for things that you have nothing to do with. That is always uncalled for. That i come from a Muslim family doesn't make me a Muslim (I'm not in fact). That you are from Israel got you certain opportunities but does not make you responsible for what a governing body does in a place you probably don't even live anymore.
The basterds should shove their enlightenment where the sun doesn't shine...

@magicMirror I used to spend shit tons of time in Kiryat Shmona - no Mamad, on the 8th floor, with no chance to reach the Miklat on time. There was no Kipat Barzel back then, so we were just hoping it won't hit us....
I also got "showers" when I served in Hatzerim, and was in the Otef area during Zuk Eitan. We had some close calls, so yeah.
Still, I have hope that we will reach a peaceful solution eventually. Not tomorrow, but in our life time.

@saucyatom I can't speak for every country, but from those I know, the right-wing tells you its superior, and the left-wing pretends we're all equal and then patronizes you.
And I fucking hate being patronized.

@NickyBones The north of Israel when Hizbola starts sending their Katyushas.... Fuck. And no defense? did you at least take a long south based trip? Eilat or something?
And during Zuk Eitan, I was called to do miltary reserve duty (like all Israelis have to) - where I grew up. A small Kibbutz 1.5km from the Hoverse line (the border with Gaza)....
It was a strange experience. My Unit was a about 10 guys who I grew up with. All the old people stuck around, together with us doing reserve duty. All the while, those with kids took the kids, and went to spend sone time in Arad or something.
There was almost no missiles that were fired at the Kibbutz. Nothing....
So it was reserve duty, at your parents house, with all the "noting ever happens here" vibe of the place plus total war going on 5 km from where I was sitting. A loaded gun next to me, my gear next to that, while petting a cat on my brothers patio.

Fuken weird experience.

@magicMirror My family couldn't really leave, so they stayed. During the 90s it was way too frequent to just leave every time. The apartment was facing south, so it was the neighbors who would get a direct hit. I got so numb to it, I slept through strikes like nothing happened, but my cousin has PTSD from growing up like that.
I was later an Iron Dome coordinator for the south region, so I was in Sderot, Nir Oz, Kerem Shalom...
I was very impressed that Kerem Shalom people remained quite lefty through the hardships.

@NickyBones
I grew up in NirOz.
And Kerem shalom... name traslates to Orchard of Peace.
The fuking place is *built* to be used as mortar target. Pillbox on the left, Cell tower in the right, hugeass concrete wall between them. looks like an american football goal from the other side. 20 people live there. On Good day.

Eurgh, this gets my goat. Double standards much. Funny how it's (rightly) considered a firable offence in most places to be a dick to Arab Muslims about suicide bombings, but being a dick to Israelis or Jews about Palestine is somehow increasingly socially acceptable.

The only solution is .... World peace, and a live concert on the holy sites by the band 'orphaned land'. Look then up, they are amazing.

@NeatNerdPrime I know them. I've been going to their concerts since I am 8-9 (my older brother worked at their merch stand).

@NickyBones if only there were more people in the politics that took their songs to heart...
Hang in there, and remember that there is no distinction between people under the heavens

sounds like they were joking. Awful sense of humor nevertheless.

Not dragging your experience Nicky. I've never been to Germany but I have met many people from there. (Via octoberfest and other gettogethers). And I've experienced anti-Judaism *once* out of maybe fifty or sixty people I've known.

Most were even more liberal than me.

I do agree that it seems like the left is patronizing and paternalistic, and ignores Israeli issues in favor of palestinian issues in pursuit of "equality", while the right harps on defense of the Palestinians just to attack Judaism, and not because they actually care.

@Wisecrack That guy justified the antisemitic attacks Jews were suffering in Germany (and world-wide) with "Israel's government is doing bad things".
I am all for criticizing governments (based on knowledge), but I am against violence against innocent civilians who are like 5000 km from the place of conflict.
Many people use political stances such as anti-Zionism to simply mask their antisemitism. It sounds more noble, and you still get to beat Jews = double profit.

@NickyBones the great evil in this world Nicky, is collective responsibility, which is really just original sin and blood libel repackaged.

I will tell you what I do when I encounter people like that: I look them right in the eyes, no humor, no anger, and ask them straight "do you blame me? Do you blame me personally? No? How about mother? No? How about my father? My brother? Those who attend the local temple? How about the local kosher baker?"

And you keep adding to that list.

Always do this. This specifically. They will very rapidly realize the lesson about themselves that they were not even aware of: that they are not angry at whole groups of people after all, only individuals.

Usually they give it a rest at that point. Some of course are emboldened, and that deserves no response at all. You don't demand love or respect or common decency out of a stone. You discard it.

@Wisecrack That's a good approach if you have patience. But I never feel like educating people where their parents failed :)

@Wisecrack Unfortunately the reply to those sorts of questions these days is "I blame you if you're not using your privilege to help the situation", whatever that means, then quickly shut down anything you mention as "not enough" or "coming from a biased perspective" etc.

It makes no sense, of course. But you assume these people are logical. If they were, then they wouldn't be blaming random, innocent Israelis in the first place.

@AlmondSauce that's just them making noises with their cake hole though.

It's the equivalent of presenting an argument, evidence, or a well reasoned answer only for someone to respond with "yes but still."

It means nothing. It's a dismissal, not an actual answer.

A fun one to bait them with is "and?"
And everything they say after, just continue answering with a derisive "and?". They'll fly into a rage or give up for sure.

Or "and what have YOU done lately with your privilege lately?"
And as they are answering you can just problem-fin every thing they say.

The beauty of it is they are now on the back foot and forced to defend their virtue for how ever long you de ide to torment them for fun and profit.

The only way to stop a witch hunt is to hunt the witch hunters. No one expects the reverse-inquisition!

The best response to idealistic morons is indifference. Let him wallow in the brainwashed cesspool that is his mind while you do awesome work.