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Nanos
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How to avoid death from Covid 19 and vaccines, a hypothesis to explain my near death experience and what to expect for the future, by a concerned citizen.

The important variables at play:

My weight = 220lb, overweight by 50lb say.

My muscle mass = very low, I can lift 25lb.

My age = 50+

Blood pressure = High, but not quite high enough to need treatment, on the edge.

Diabetic condition = Not.

Now lets introduce 3 Covid 19 vaccinations.

1st, no real effects to worry us.

2nd, no real effects to worry us.

3rd... bad effects..

I ponder, was the 3rd shot, maybe from a more potent batch, hadn't deteriorated in transit as much as the previous 2 ?

Did I also catch another version of Covid 19 at the same time ?

Was my fairly rare variables the result of which I now appear to have diabetic symptoms..

Has this damaged me enough that it won't just get better on its own, and my options are to, lose weight, gain muscle mass, and perhaps try a fasting diet ( Shown to work in mice.. ) in an effort to regrow my insulin-producing cells ?

So for those of you out there like me, suggestions:

Lose weight.

Gain muscle mass.

Self isolate 4 weeks before vaccine, and 4 weeks afterwards.

Try to be at the back of the queue for vaccines so yours has aged a bit and isn't quite so potent.

Thoughts ?

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  • 4
    You have survived, that's good already.

    Side effects are always a risk, no matter the type of disease.

    Seniority is a risk factor on its own, amplifying all the other risks.

    Overweight.. 100kg is not that much [unless you'reva midget], but does introduce some slight risk. Considering it's not that hard to eliminate this factor, I'd say why not -- start working on your diet since tomorrow morning. No need to go drastic - I can confirm that reducing portions and skipping supper [past 6pm] + reducing candies, choco and similar stuff works miracles. After 1 week of strict reduced regime I reached a .5 kg per day loss rate. This approach has its inertia, so beware.

    Muscle mass - I think a daily 8-10km walk would be enough for now. Give it a try for a couple of months and see. Nothing special, just walk. Also speaking from my own xp. Considerably younger, but still...
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    I'm not self-isolating for a f**** vaccine. Jesus most governments around the world require only a 2 week self isolation when you HAVE covid, let alone get the vaccine. Is this a shit post or are the people on here really this ignorant?
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    This might sound a bit harsh but you’re overweight, have low muscle mass and high blood pressure. I’m guessing this is a result of lack of exercise and a crap diet. Diabetes was likely always going to happen.

    You’ll probably never know why you got ill from the 3rd shot. It could have been stored incorrectly, someone at the vaccination centre was ill and you caught it, you were ill anyway.

    The best thing you can do for yourself is try and get healthy. If you’re only just getting diabetes symptoms you’re probably still at a point where you can improve that with diet and exercise. Also if you do get Covid you’re less likely to get really ill from it if you’re already healthy.
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    Maybe you were ill recently, you were completely symptomless and didn't notice, but your body produced a lot of antibodies already to finish the covid off, and then you got vacc'd so you introduced a huge quantity of the spike protein (or an RNA, so your cells started coding for it temporarily) and your body just reacted violently because it was by an unlucky coincidence at the peak of your spike protein defenses.

    or you know, any of the 500 other explanations. Medicine is still one of the hardest topics to study. Though if your hypotheses bring you to live a healthier lifestyle then that's a good outcome eitherway
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    @heyjoe1984

    It's only that survival rate for some folk though. :-)

    As authorities where I am, really don't release any details at all about who died/etc. it is very hard to figure out your own personal risk.

    Since I like to air on the side of caution, and the risks of a side effect are low, then I'll just take any old vaccine to be on the safer side.

    Now that I think I have figured out who might be at risk of side effects, I thought best to pass that information on and get some crowd input on how accurate that might be to save someone else from the same, or worse by choosing to have the vaccine.

    From what I can gather, if you are Chinese or white, you are in the lowest risk group for death from the virus.

    Everyone else, higher risk, so vaccine is probably a good idea !

    I'm still interested in finding out what folk are dying of, or not, to further advance my decision for next time !
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    @Hazarth My hope is that my hypotheses can help others, and not just myself.

    And that with input from others, may correct any mistakes.

    Could be another 500 things, but like in the IT world, only one is the real answer, so maybe I got it right. :-)

    I was already heading towards an improved lifestyle, the only difference is I may try a go at this fasting technique to fix things:

    https://nature.com/articles/...

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    Fasting and β cell regeneration

    During 4-day FMD cycles, mice received 50% of their daily caloric intake on day 1 and 10% on days 2–4

    this was followed by 're-feeding' (up to 10 days of ad libitum feeding between cycles).

    the researchers demonstrated that six to eight cycles of FMD and re-feeding could restore insulin-producing β cell mass and normalize blood levels of glucose.

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    @UnicornPoo

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    someone at the vaccination centre was ill and you caught it,

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    There was a difference with the 3rd shot, the first 2 they did in room with an external door to let people in and out, it was very draughty.

    The 3rd shoot was in a room deep within a building with poor ventilation, so a much greater risk of catching something from someone else previously in the same room/corridors.
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    @Hazarth

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    Maybe you were ill recently, you were completely symptomless and didn't notice,

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    Indeed.

    Hence the thought to self isolate 4 weeks before getting the jab. ( Which is problematic for most people working, and you usually don't get that much warning of when your jab is.. )

    So, the advice would only be useful to a small number of people I reckon.
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    @UnicornPoo

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    This might sound a bit harsh

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    Oh I'm quite happy with accurate stuff that might otherwise be considered harsh !
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    @fullstackchris

    I hear 4 weeks is better, I think the reason for 2 weeks is to get everyone back to work as quickly as possible.

    I think where I am, its 10 days now, I guess that is a nice round figure. :-)

    I value all input on this subject, as such upvoted you to keep your input alive, since I think it is important to hear all information so we can make an informed decision.
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    @sariel Eventually. :-)

    Of something..

    Unless we develop nanites in time and can fix ourselves !
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    Related link I came across, after I had pondered my thoughts on the issues:

    https://seca.com/en_gb/company/...

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    Low muscle mass increases the risk of diabetes

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    Actually, whilst nanites would be great for fixing things, another area we could do with big improvements in is testing equipment.

    I'm reminded of:

    http://www.tricorderproject.org
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    @Nanos yes, it could be 500 things but only one is right as you said.

    but my main point was to demonstrate, that taking a guess is essentially pointless statistically.. if it can be only 1 thing, but there's 500 possibilities, obviously the chance that your or mine hypothesis is right is only 1/500, so 0.2% even if you remove all the outright crazy hypothesis and lower it to 1/100 it's only 1% chance. So taking action based on those chances is pretty much equal to desperation rather than science. recommending anything to anyone based on that is... let's just say next to pointless. You would need to consult an actual medical professional to bring it to anything statistically significant, and even they wont probably know without doing bunch of actual tests, or maybe it's even too late for that. Or perhaps it's something unrelated even, like stress and psychosomantics.

    Just don't overthink it is my advice
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    @Hazarth

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    taking a guess is essentially pointless statistically.

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    It wasn't a guess, it was logical deduction based upon the available information to find the best fit.

    It is about the most common thing we do in IT land. :-)

    Or fixing cars.

    Similar to blackbox problem solving techniques.
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    @Hazarth

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    or mine hypothesis

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    What is yours given the available data to you ?
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    @Nanos mine is the immune system interaction hypothesis. my first shot was also better then my second, both light though. Didn't get 3rd yet but It's a common experience to hear that the shots get somewhat worse with time.

    That leads me to believe It's the immune systems ability to learn seek&destroy and the "smarter" more active system causes stronger reaction. That should mean that getting the shot after being recently infected could cause this. No idea about the timeframe.

    And I think my hyptohesis is more likely than yours, but yours also make some sense. Healthy body and all that should make an Impact, but it can't be so significant that a 3rd shot would cause you major problems compared to 2nd, you'd have to go from athlete to morbidly obese for that to make any sense to me. So to me, the way you judged your information sounds more based on emotions than logic.

    tl;dr;
    Your deduction seems more like an almost baseless guess rather than deduction
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    @Hazarth

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    mine is the immune system interaction hypothesis.

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    But that is the same as mine..
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    @Hazarth

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    morbidly obese

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    But I am !

    The figures gave a clue there with my high weight, but low muscle mass.
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    @Hazarth

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    Your deduction seems more like an almost baseless guess rather than deduction

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    That's a fair comment, but so far, your theory is the exact same as my theory, so does that mean we are both baseless in our guesses :-)
  • 0
    So, prediction..

    Will my symptoms just clear up all on their own, or am I now changed and have to try and fix myself ?

    Eg. I now have diabetics ?
  • 0
    @Nanos

    1. Your hypothesis seems to be that your immune system is lowered because of your health (which is accurate, we know this) BUT that doesn't explain what the 1st and 2nd shot are not even worth mentioning

    2. Same as 1. If you are obese now, were you *not* obese when you got the 1st and 2nd shot? what else changed? the diabetes? are you sure you didn't have it untested already for 2nd shot?

    3. Yes, it's all guesses, which is why I don't condone giving suggestions to people just yet. especially something quack like "be at the back of the queue" what even is that? that's not how this works

    4. It is known that diabetes interacts with the immune system, you're right, but there's no way you can keep up a controlled environment to measure your prediction even if you clear diabetes. If you say "you feel fine now" in 6 months, that means literally nothing anymore, tons of things will happen to your body in half a year, not limited to clearing beetus,
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    that doesn't explain what the 1st and 2nd shot are not even worth mentioning

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    The 1st and 2nd shot get a mention since they strongly indicate that a 3rd shot by the same manufacturer isn't likely in itself to cause any issues, since the first 2 didn't.
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    2. Same as 1. If you are obese now, were you *not* obese when you got the 1st and 2nd shot? what else changed? the diabetes? are you sure you didn't have it untested already for 2nd shot?

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    Yes I was a little more obese during 1st and 2nd shot.

    Yes I'm pretty sure I didn't have diabetes or any symptoms of before my 2nd shot, or my 1st, or my 3rd.

    One might ask the question of, does diabetics come on all of a sudden, eg. you wake up and one day, your diabetic with obvious in your face symptoms.

    Or does it gradually arrive with minor symptoms showing up as you nearer to be a full blown diabetic ?
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    If you say "you feel fine now" in 6 months, that means literally nothing anymore

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    I think it rather does mean everything !

    It's like having your car working, as against, not working..

    Sure it might have a few things wrong with it that it didn't have before, but as long as it gets the job done, that is really important.

    Or in human terms, feeling fine is a great place to me, 2nd only to being alive in the first place. :-)

    At the moment, avoiding death comes high on my priority list, so any suggestions in that are are most welcomed.
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    something quack like "be at the back of the queue" what even is that? that's not how this works

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    The vaccine loses potency over time in storage does it not ?

    If potency is the key issue here, having the least potent vaccine will be a good thing.

    Back of the queue means last to get something, in this case, a shot of the vaccine.

    I fail to see how this could be called quack in any shape or form as a users strategy to control the potency of what you are getting..
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    > it's all guesses,

    The term guesses implies a random stab at something, these are not random stabs.

    It would be like if your computer display is acting up, perhaps its your graphic card at fault, rather than your hard disk.

    If you randomly put your hand inside a PC and grabbed the first thing you touched and said, "This could be it!" that would be marked as a guess. :-)

    Usually we try and apply some logic to our efforts, however far removed..

    I'm not a big fan of folk trying to rubbish theories by use of emotive words to try and distract the audience.

    I use the term theory so that more folk can try to understand what I'm talking about.

    Yes I'm aware that hypotheses is the more correct term, but I often get told I need to dumb things down to reach more people.
  • 0
    Just been chatting to a 90+ year old doctor who reckons I could be suffering from a Urinary tract infection.
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    @Nanos I think diabetics is still on the table, since that can encourage UTI's..

    I couldn't seem to find an answer on google to the question of, could a UTI cause symptoms of diabetics ?
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    New info..

    https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/...

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    Testicular pain as an unusual presentation of COVID-19: a brief review of SARS-CoV-2 and the testis

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    On day 4, severe cardiogenic shock developed, necessitating inotrope and vasopressor infusion. Unfortunately, the patient died 3 days later because of irreversible cardiogenic shock following myocarditis of unknown origin.

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    Great, so I could end up killed by my testicle..

    So, could he have survived if they had removed it early on ?

    After all, you have two, so the loss of one isn't so important. :-)

    Now, should I wait to see if my UTI infection gets cured by the various vitamins/etc. I'm pouring into and go next week to the doctor about my slightly painful and expanding testicle..

    Or go now..

    The two things could be linked of course, so fixing one might fix the other.

    On the other hand, they might no clue and I die..
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    https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/...

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    The COVID-19 pandemic and physical activity

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    Endurance exercise appears to help.
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    https://washington.edu/news/2001/...

    Which mentions:

    https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/...

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    LiverTox: Clinical and Research Information on Drug-Induced Liver Injury [Internet].

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    As such, have ordered some 250mg pills. ( I have tried it before for other benefits, but stopped after reading it can help cancer spread.. )

    Of course, being where I am, they will take 3 weeks to arrive, so lets hope I don't die before they get here !

    Meanwhile, I only got 6 months supply, since I might not be alive in 6 months time and it would be a waste of money otherwise !

    Plus, maybe only taking it for 6 months might be enough to fix things, and not take it longer due to the cancer risk..
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    Isn't the internet wonderful for research, within a few hours you can follow a trail and order what you want. ( Mostly.. )
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    Still alive, obviously. :-)

    Unless I wrote a script to pretend to be alive..

    So, if I'm still alive in 200 years time, I've either cracked nanotech, or I'm just a script on repeat. :-)
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    Still alive !

    And going to try the Fasting and β cell regeneration diet and see if that helps, estimate about 5 months to give that a shot.

    Lets hope I don't die doing that !

    I did ask advice in medical forums, but the only answer I got was don't do it, without any reason why, just because its classified as hazardious.

    That would be like asking on a car forum how to cross the road and be told its too dangerous, don't do it, rather than telling you how and what dangers to look out for.

    Like, if there is a car coming, don't cross..

    So, assuming I get some warning before I die, I might be able to do something about it.
  • 0
    @Nanos

    Started new diet, today the 10%, so 4 meals today of this tinned tuna mixed with mayonnaise, and pickled gherkins, in-between buttered wholemeal bread:

    Breakfast..
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    @Nanos

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    Fasting and β cell regeneration

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    Been trying that out, it hasn't killed me so far. :-)

    Lost 38lb in weight, so that's good !

    A few bits N pieces are a bit better, but not fixed yet..
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