Random people: "why would you run linux? Just run Windows lmao"
Windows on my machine: https://youtu.be/5BZLz21ZS_Y

Both run fine for me.

@kamen "works on my machine" doesn't magically fix mine, what would is an upgrade

@Parzi upgrade to Dell for better support for Ubuntu

(something>nothing)

I daily drive linux for 8th month now.
I was so happy with change. for first 1 hour. every single hour after I was like "I need my windows 7 back".

I tried windows 10 some longer time ago. Noped out after few months. Now Im getting to the edge with Debian. As long as it works is cool, but daily x-server freezes are driving me absolute nuts. `sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade` literally means "something will blow up, lets see what!". Kindda like windows 10 with their quarterly big updates.

Sigh, if I could, I would buy support for windows 7 and just not give a fuck about that all. Now I feel shipwrecked without OS that feels like home or at least feels like not fighting me.

And before anyone mentiones, no, I tried mac OS and boy.. double "nope" for me.

@DubbaThony It definitely takes some time to get used to it, but honestly, I'm more impressed by the fact you're able to break a Debian install that easily. We're you using stable?

@Jilano

I am using stable, and I am trying hard to stick to strict documentation of stuff like "dont break debian"

Just like... sigh, I dont even know whats up with that.

small edit:
Most "custom" thing I did (in spirit of "just trust debian and their expirience, you noob") was to change apache2 configs to match my preferences, and one notable exception from all that stuff was installing equalizer that would otherwise not install (it required re-compiling and all that fun stuff)

edit2: by not break debian I mean stuff like that https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDe...

@DubbaThony I get you

Installing/upgrading/configuring programs that are in the official repositories shouldn't be a problem, especially something as common as Apache.

Do you think it might be tied to your hardware somehow?

My only problem with hardware is PSU that is kindda too weak (it's laptop, its power brick) which can cause BSOD on windows or hard system freeze on linux (that's easy to differentiate X server freeze vs system freeze - like SSH will continue working) but that shows off only when hitting gpu hard for prolonged time when battery decides its done for.

Other than that no h/w problems whatsoever, I was happly using "not compatible" windows 7 on this machine for like 2 years and only issue I ever had was installing it (no compatible drivers but easy to work around "not compatible" drivers to be compatible).

I went back to linux a bit over a year ago after using mac for a few years, things are so much easier when you don't have to deal with apples crap.

@ItsNotMyFault

Yeah, apple is double "nope" for me. But still I cant find that one OS that I wont feel fought against in :/

@melezorus34 Ubuntu is bloated Debian, and Debian works well enough. Additionally, FUCK DELL.
@DubbaThony YMMV hit you hard, eh? One thing I will recommend: use DontBreakDebian as a how-to. Make a FrankenDebian or six, they're more stable than they let on. (Just have a live boot medium handy in case you need to chroot.)
@Jilano it's not at all hard to break debian, i'm not terribly surprised
@ItsNotMyFault Isn't Apple's /dev scheme nonstandard too?

@Parzi

Honestly i find myself doing frequent lvm snapshot due often breakage thats going on.

~~appended after second thought

Thats what I really like in windows. If you break it, it can detect 'oh, shit that is broken, hey user, i can fix it'
It works more often than not. In meantime linux is like 'oh well *shrug*'

@DubbaThony from both my personal experience and my dad's experience i can tell you that shit is rare to work case-by-case, you are the luckiest motherfucker

@Parzi just don't install those anime tiddies and it will be fine most* of the time

@Parzi

Maybe i am super lucky with windows and super unlucky with linux, idk, whatever is the case, it is consistant and annooooooying to the bone when you try to use linux and it feels like it just breaks on its own.

I think its up to user knowing underlying OS well enough to intuitively know how to not break it and what is risky operation and what not, without beeing aware of it.

@DubbaThony Talking for myself, I always break things. So instead of learning how to not break it, I learn how to fix that in advance, save the article to offline and use it when needed.

@melezorus34
> save the article offline
this assumes X and your DE and your browser all work

@Parzi I have a phone lmao

@melezorus34 that's inconvenient tho

if it's in your head it can't get lo- no i can't lie to you on this one

it's at least available off-grid too

@melezorus34

I dont have time to constantly fix it. I just rollback lvm snapshot or backup and carry on

@DubbaThony usually it takes like 30 mins from a live *DVD*

@Parzi

30 minutes is 1800 seconds too much.

As I said, I dont have time, will and nerves to battle OS. One-time 'setup fee' is annoying enough.

@DubbaThony again, that's from an actual DVD. Any USB stick, done in 5. Windows has worse time issues because most people don't either disable updates (not through the little switch in settings, like permanently) or update often enough.