The world is not going to space age. It's going straight to idiocracy. Sorry kids.

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@iiii I mean we won't necessarily go on a uptrend trend since we have on the past hundred years. Its possible to go backwards

@jassole actually, you're not the only one mentioning Idiocracy recently. It definitely seems this way, that modern democracy evolves into Idiocracy.

@iiii Too many young people have idealistic, marxist views. Its good in paper, but very bad in practice. Big government corrupts. People don't respond equally.

Snowden was an example exposing big government corruption. But no, people keep wanting to add new laws and stuff which is only good in paper.

@jassole what do you mean by "Marxist views"?

@jassole The process Snowden revealed was made possible by some of the extremely authoritarian laws passed shortly after 9/11. It has little to do with the economy, and it is most definitely not marxist, as they were granting additional rights to the NSA which is not a public and democratic institution.

@JustThat And that is why western social democratic states have lots and lots of funds that are accessible to the general public on certain conditions. The treasury is not some foreign thing that should be locked away, in fact, being available for any goal with majority support is the whole reason it exists.

@homo-lorens it has to do with economy. Market participants, rules, regulations, laws affect the dynamics. Everything affect the dynamics of the economy. In general, you can't really have laws that tries to dictate, force people by assumption of narrow behaviour patterns.

Power corrupts one way or other. Government create funds accessible to general public? Pay a bribe to unlock it faster or Know someone close to government. That model is broken. By introducing government you change the economic function and the impact over the long term is always corrosive. It is only attractive on paper.

@jassole Networking your way to money is literally intended behavior for capitalistic markets, I fail to see how that would be better than making it illegal and trying your best to enforce that law.
Anyway, my statement was that since the NSA is neither democratic nor public, empowering them is an authoritarian rather than social act.

@jassole The only relation between the NSA and socialism is their long running project to destabilize every socialist or communist regime which they can't really stop because then they would have to answer questions like "if it's working now, why didn't it work before?"

@homo-lorens who are you to decide what is better/not better and make the decision for all based on your assumptions? So when is law-making going to end, you'll keep introducing laws without deleting any of them? You'll burden someone just being born with bunch of laws that does not make sense.

Capitalism has a very simple proposal, free markets for all. Free trade and corporations. Nothing more. "Networking your way to money"? Just make it easily accessible so its not illegal. I am fine with a baseline welfare system, but anything else is just burdensome.

@jassole That's still not my main point, but why do you think the capitalist principle of "everyone is allowed to do whatever their parents can afford*" is better than any other arbitrary set of laws?

*This set is obviously generated, if your parents can afford to educate you to some extent that determines what you can earn and whether you can expand your options or just spend everything on survival.

@homo-lorens again you are you to decide how much someone else's parents decide on their children or not?

Why is it your business to encroach on their personal lives when they aren't interfering yours, and on what grounds do you think making laws to impose their spending habit?

Do you know the reason education is wasteful and costly? Because of department of education and loan guarantees. The provider of education has effectively become disconnected from the industry as they are only concerned about the money. They need to adapt to certification, licenses set our by department not necessarily follow industry trends. You think you can make laws around every set of human behaviour around everything? Good luck with that.

@jassole Why do you think that capitalism is the "natural" default state of the world and everything else is artificial? Why is property law, a person's ability to own things that they have no capacity to maintain or that they might not even know they own, more natural than eg. a law forcing landowners to maintain their property to certain standards so that the people living nearby don't have to suffer from them?

@homo-lorens Because it is, unless you want to live in a regressed/suppressed society. As history as proven again and again, give people individualistic freedom, power and choice and allow free trade and they'll create a better society out of their own need than any mandated one.

The lawmakers think they know the totality of life and consequential facts when they create laws but that has rarely been the case. You can't a structure and force it into a culture that don't want it.

Who would have thought?

@jassole You must know a history that I don't, one that doesn't include
- the industrial revolution when it was shown that without labour laws and unions workers will eventually be sharing a flat with two other families because companies can and will refuse to hire each other's workers to maintain total control,
- the major market crashes where measurable fractions of the middle class lost everything because of the lack of safety nets and the distinct property of the middle class that they are reliant on always having a job,
- the advent of megacorporations that no local business can compete with, are large enough to interfere with politics and few enough to never have to raise wages past barely keeping their workers alive

Just to name a few

@jassole Western countries are deeply intertwined in the economy and politics of Africa, the food aid feedback loop is definitely present but it's just one aspect of the situation. For example, many countries couldn't feed all their people even if agriculture was runnig at peak efficiency. Also food aid is typically aimed at underdeveloped regions where the lack of infrastructure makes the whole idealised free market model rather useless.

@JustThat That's a story I've never heard before. Do you happen to have any source for the tax-lowering?

@homo-lorens Your comment on industrial revolution puts it as if they were forced labour. They have the choice to quit and start something on their own. Didn't it occur to you, they came all the way from their country side to earn more wages so they can better the financial wealth of their family? Or they were forced to do so? The key thing is you always had a choice, nobody forced you to.

And because of efficiency and free markets not a lot is working in factories anymore due to automation. Those dangerous work is delegated to robots and human minds are left to think. Or you think it was due to government laws and regulations did that to advance us?

@jassole Moving into the city isn't easy and the environment is very different, it isn't obvious that workers were better off than before moving, because in reality people - especially uneducated people - don't make the best financial decision. A factory worker was paid more than an agricultural worker, but in both cases it usually came out to roughly cover food and rent. Very often that meant the cheapest food one could find and a quarter of a room's worth of rent.

"They have the choice to start something on their own" - Clearly you have no fucking clue what you're talking about, how much they were paid and how much "starting something" would cost.

@jassole I'm not saying that capitalism doesn't do any good, but it's very far from the best system, and the direction of improvement is state-provided services in all areas that the free market model treats like nonexistent issues like emergency services and education.

@jassole Capitalism relies on the consumer and the worker both having all the knowledge to make informed decisions and on anyone being able to potentially start their own business, all of these show that high quality education is a precondition of, not a product in the system.

Edit: it also happens to be a precondition of functional democracy. No wonder most powerful people oppose public education.

@homo-lorens "You have no clue what you are talking about". Oh please, I am an immigrant who migrated from Asia to a western country, started from scratch with next to no money.

I think you are the one who have no clue. Your view sounds good in paper, but in practice never has succeeded looking at history. By taking out the feedback mechanism which is very important and you are doing more harm in the long term.

You can have it your way, I don't have an agenda, but watch the western world slowly demise if this is the status quo and approach you want to take.
It's already happening, there aren't enough skilled people in the economy, because "its not needed", why not just go to the dole.
If it doesn't work find someone else to blame. It's never ending lol, until you stifle everything.

Personally it's easy for me. I just look for countries with most economic freedom.

But it's guaranteed where the west is heading, its suffocating itself with idealistic views that doesn't work in practice. Endless bureaucratic system, that will require more laws to fix it, and more laws to fix, until you suffocate everyone. I don't have any doubts about that.

Some non-idiot people are going to leave the idiot planet to create a new idiot planet, it will just take longer to become idiot.

Remember kids, anything new and fancy takes time to reach the masses, and some things never do.

The space age is just another service, and it will not reach the mases any time soon.

Also, this planet has been the idiot planet for thousands of years the smart ones are just outliers.

@mundo03 bruh

@jassole it's like, don't you think there is the ability to make a phone 10 generations ahead of what we have?
Don't you think someone has that on their hands right now? (Maybe not tho)

It is just too expensive for the general population, and companies have to phase their releases, if they release the best they can do now it will tale them a few years for the next product, and now companies are al about 2-3 releases per year to milk the idiot planet

@ostream oh here comes the fascist. You are not the top of human evolution either, so let people do whatever they want. Go jerk your tiny weeny dick

@ostream If you use your tiny small brain, you would have got the point. Nobody is superior to each other, which is what individualism and capitalism is. You don't like the company you work for? Find another job simple as that.

Communism is by definition using coercion, force to equate everyone. People who try to enforce communism aren't superior either, which is what communism requires.

@ostream just luck? I flew from 3rd world country and I worked much harder than you who is whining and mumbling. I worked all kinds of job. You meant to say I have more luck that you? Don't tell me its the invisible hand lol. You know nothing about me.

Who said equal on capitalism dummy? Capitalism means to live individual rights without violating others, there is no guarantee of equal outcome. Yeah if had the guts to change your job, you wouldn't be here whining on devrant about Google, Cypress, bullshit you moron.

Such little pussies they grow in UK, must be easy to push you guys around. Triggered on anything.

@ostream A whiny idiot advocating communism tells me what capitalism is. Lol. Go be a slave to your masters :D in your words.

@ostream says the guy who is an armchair expert, and throws words in my mouth without understanding. If you came here with mutual respect you wouldn't get the treatment I am giving you you dumb fuck. Stop thinking with your emotional brain. Think rationally, you might succeed in life then.

Colonial power? Where? Who is trying to conquer whom? Do you even though which country I live in? Or you just think everyone needs to feel sorry about themselves because in the past their ancestors colonised? Such tiny brain you have

What explanation did you give other than "It's too early for retarded anticommunism and social darwinism" ???

You don't know how to speak with reason and you have to compensate with buffoonery, shouting and curses I understand. It's ok, maybe one day you will GROW UP. xD

Ahahahaha,

"Oh poor me. My life so unjust and unfair. Some asian guy over the internet had luck all over the place, flew to a country, funded his own expensive education with little help, worked odd jobs to support himself and is doing better than me. Soooo lucky. My life so unfair". Hahaha nice sob story to tell bro.

You don't have to care because it will envy you, I understand. Yeah I had to stoop to your level because apparently you clearly don't understand how free market/capitalisms work.

Overrated IT skills? But my employer values me so much, and rates me so much, that they can't find enough overrated people like me in the market. How did that happen?

@mundo03 That is true, and monopolistic companies already do that. What you'd need is more competition in the market to combat it. One example being light bulb being intentionally have a lower lifetime due to monopolistic agreement between different parties.

This is famously known as Phoebus Cartel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Only solution to this is more competition. If you are the only one producing in your sector, it's fine to have monopoly. But it's unfair to lobby the government to make it harder for other competition to take market share.