After listening to hours and hours of interviews with Putin despite how MSM characterizes him. I am a fan. I wish we had a leader like him.

Calling yourself an objectivist but unable to recognise fascism.

@possum fascism as labelled by msm? Back up your claims with facts. A single shot isn't going to change my mind.

Fascism is growing in the EU and dare I say in the US. The only guy in prison for "Collateral Murder" act committed by US is the guy reporting it. He pushed around by EU authorities and is in prison simply because it doesn't look good.

Meanwhile Russia has given citizenship and sanctuary to Ed Snowden

Putin is good for Russians and leaders are supposed to be good for their people, that's their first duty

Would prefer if he was a bit more "smarter" when dealing with problems inwards, simply bruteforcing makes him look like a villian

@possum And btw you don't have good understanding of the meaning of objectivism. You are mistaking it for collectivism and group think.

Objectivism means building your truth from known facts and updating it awareness as you gather more information and evidences. Sometimes it means DISAGREEING with the status quo, even others might say they are objectivist so that includes disagreeing with them too but with good reasons.

Putin in my mind is a rational actor, and this is entirely the west and Ukraine fault. Exact same tactics used by US to manufacture outrage and hyperbolic especially amongst the vulnerable left to support the war. Learnt that when they were in Vietnam, Ind-Pak war, Libya, Syria and IRAQ.

I must give it to them, they got public support to wage war based on a LIE lmao. I guess having a hyperbolic, emotionally charged up uneducated society with people who are bad at geography helps too.

@azuredivay My new understanding which is very less talked about is putin gave enough warnings. But was ignored repeatedly. Look up 2014 coup, research who Victoria Nuland is, look up Minsk agreement, lookup Lugansk and Donetsk 2014. It's not hard to connect the dots.

Lookup Oliver Stone's documentary.

@jassole Ah I know what you talking about, we in Asia know US cornered Russia hoping they can balkanise it or neuter it like they did to Japan, or trying with China. A POV rarely if ever discussed in US and its vassal countries' medias

What I meant was his internal handling of rogue Russians, his bruteforce handling of them lets the west paint them as martyrs which does more harm than good, and definitely not sustainable

@azuredivay I don't know about the rogue Russians. If you mean Navalny, Navalny does have a shady background. I wouldn't be surprised if he was an CIA asset.

Anything could be true, knowing what I know now, it's likely the later since the campaign he pulled off need some sophistication and technique which were likely provided by the US.

Are you from India?

And yeah Europe is a total bitch of US, it doesn't have any sovereignty, you can sense it in their tone and the wild fluctuation of their political standing, shame... They can tout "freedom" and "democracy," which are just garbage. I know a lot of people in germany, austria that have growing resentment and mistrust in their government.

@jassole yep, one of the last few non-vassal east Asian states lol
and true, but it's fascinating to see nonetheless, most authoritarian states waste their time and effort controlling the large populace which doesn't last long and a spark is enough for a revolt

US on the other hand lets the population free and controls the ones on top, i.e. judiciary, party in-power and opposition to keep all 3 in check, while keeping the population happy with better standards of living (ensuing that the majority of the population is used to an easy life means the threat of it being taken away, adds another layer to the "we can't say NO to US!, they 'invest' here")

you see it first-hand in Europe/SK/Japan, copied down to the dot.

Which is why I wish Putin were smarter in dealing with these things, he's the sword-arm Russia needs, but Russia also needs someone tricky to deal with the tricky parts, which I dont see there yet.

The macrons, scholtz (reminds me of the weak german chancellor right before hitler took over, lmao) want power, but also want instructions from washington like good puppies.

@jassole Yep, and in retaliation US is funding rioters via their activists who're then painted godly by MSM -.- it's funny seeing the coordinated attacks which've worked the same since forever like clockwork

we've been on the receiving end of it for so many decades that seeing westerners fighting NOW on whether MSM is controlled or not, it's like seeing a baby grow lol. Either west will finally realise that their top-most are rigourously controlled and fight back for true freedom, or they'll simply say "it's worked fine for decades so it's best for us" and not care, the latter seems more likely unfortunately

@azuredivay And the people never learn, They are far disconnected from reality and never known what hardship is.

They will never learn, until they fall hard and fast. To create something there must be destruction, (some ancient hindu scripture ;) ) and I am afraid we are witnessing one, having it too good for too long. They lack purpose and meaning in their life and have filled that void with literal garbage.

He has caused the death of some 50-60 000 russian men, driven another 200-300 000 to flee the country, in a generation they will have the same problem china have with to few working people to support the elderly.

He is not fighting for the russians, he is fighting to keep the illusion up until he is dead, thats all he cares for, and if that kills every citizen along the way, at least that means no one left to criticize him.

@Voxera repeats the same MSM narrative, I have heard that thousands times. No thanks. Do you think before you speak?

Yet he has the fucking highest approval rating than any leaders right now. Riddle me that.

Only thing Russians are angry at Putin is that they think he is going tooo soft, from my Russian contacts.

@Voxera that's how wars are when they happen within a country/at their borders and not across oceans, either men run away allowing their homes and countries to be taken over, or they die trying to stop them (coming from someone whose family is in military, whose uncles participated in wars //kargil 1999, and whose parents told stories of village-level blackouts to avoid night-bombing //1971 Bangladesh liberation war)

@jassole ahaha yep, destruction is necessary for the birth of something new, rest depends on whether the present generations want to bear the burn or they'll leave it to the future

@azuredivay You can only say things destruction is beautiful because it isn't happening to you.

War is always the last resort. If you can't achieve what you need without starting a war then you have failed.

@jassole Simple geography - his tanks and soldiers are in Ukraine, destroying it. No-one has invaded Russia. No-one was about to invade Russia. We have Russian politicians claiming that there is a "Nazi" government in Kiev, led by a jew. Absurd. Putin cares passionately for 'ethnic Russians' and invades neighbouring countries - you'll find no better parallel with Adolf Hitler in any major country, anywhere on the planet.
Free Ukraine!

@azuredivay Japan = one of the safest countries to live in the world
Ukraine = since this time last year, a place where tens of thousands of lives, Russian and Ukrainian, are being ended or utterly destroyed

@spongegeoff This is actually more scary than that. I've been reading this book on WEIRD people and find a close relation to what's happening with our tribal instincts. All this simply means association by kin is human nature. Outside of a few "WEIRD" countries that were shaped by church policies, the most of the world still value kinship (in this example, ethnicity) over impersonal analytical, logical thinking.

@jassole look up Alexei Navalny

@iceb Yes, I think it's observably true that people value a sense of kinship very highly. I also believe that it's better for the world to be organised into nations than not - for many reasons, including that multiple, different societal systems can be trialled simultaneously in response to evolving pressures and opportunities. It breaks down once a nation becomes isolated and develops a hatred or contempt for those not part of it.

@red-knot i already wrote up about him.

Wonderful piece on the vulture: Nuland https://youtube.com/watch/...

Tell that to the children in Ukraine whose parents were slaughtered, asshole.

@bols59 Your virtue signalling won't work. Tell that to the children of Donbass you dumbfuck

@spongegeoff Slava ukraini, heroine slava. Join them bro

lads, I don't come to devrant to see politics and such shit, let us keep it civil here, we are already at each other's throats concerning languages and frameworks, let us not bring politics into this matter.

**hammers desk**

@jassole "feeble minded sheep"? This from someone who thinks that him having heard something many times makes it worthy of disregard. Intellectually, that's kindergarten. Anyway, I won a national scholarship and have two degrees from Cambridge (most academically exclusive college thereof). And you?

@spongegeoff

Seriously, you are coming of with your college degrees? LMAO bahahaha, college degrees don't mean shit, where now everybody wins, lol. You have yet to come to a real world. I run a successful business with close to 8 figure turnover. But besides the point, College are places to lose brain cells where students come up thinking the world issues are black and white.

Read a book called ordinary men: "Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 11 and the Final Solution in Poland". You know germans were one of the most advanced civilization during Nazi years right? They had highly skilled people in particle physics, rocket science, chemical engineering, etc. But that didn't give them morals.

@jasshole Making use of your collossal intellect, you decide that there being some extremist Ukrainian fascists makes it okay to launch missiles into housing blocks? There are, of course, extremist elements in the UK, USA, Russia, Sweden, France, Japan, etc. It's the cult-of-personality governments that make life hell in their own nations and seek to expand their power by force.

Check out Putin addressing the ranks of cowed 'peoples representatives'. That's reality, as it is, beyond dispute.

@jasshole Many people go up to university with a black or white viewpoint, soon find themselves out-argued by people with more nuanced and more solidly arguable points of view. You don't like news - the observable realities - and your 'argument' primarily consists of insults. It's Putin that has to pretend a jew is a nazi: because his followers like it simple.

@spongegeoff Insults is just the way I roll. Take it or leave it. You are exactly the kind of person to be enchanted by Tony Blair on the eve of going to Iraq war with US, that killed millions of Iraqis.

Like i said simple minded, whose perception and world views can easily be shaped by the media. I think I would push my agenda too if I had lot of power and were in control.

BTW If war escalates, I hope you join the military. Lets see how much you'd like to push through your ideology.

@jassole

"You are exactly the kind of person to be enchanted by Tony Blair on the eve of going to Iraq war with US, that killed millions of Iraqis. "

Whereas the reality is that I travelled down to London, slept on a friend's floor and persuaded him to come on the largest of the anti-Iraq war marches with me.

"Like i said simple minded, whose perception and world views can easily be shaped by the media."

And the reality here is that I spent upwards of a decade as a video editor, became familiar with and drew understanding from the work of the Glasgow Media Group (and similar establishment-critical bodies) many years ago.

Yeah, but, no, but...

@spongegeoff Ok that's good then, then I might have misjudged you.

Then you should research this more from the Russian viewpoint. The moral stance to take in this conflict is a diplomatic one, rather than escalatory, which the US have a vested interest in, to remain a superpower. It will sacrifice EU if it really needs to. And they will do so happily.

Look up wolfowitz doctrine which is simply being played out now, after that the same machinery along with the media is going to be targeted against China, we are already seeing that now.

The escalatory stance doesn't benefit Europeans, only benefits US, only diplomatic and compromise does.

@jasshole No worries. FWIW, my other half would see me as excessively cynical re our government's news output. I think we are paying the price for the contempt directed at Putin (by Hillary Clinton, Merkel et al) over some years when he and Russia were actually looking to become more Westernised - essentially, he's looking to recover some personal respect and, with the fledgling Russian democracy having been insufficiently strong to prevent his rise to unrivalled power, his best option now is to appeal to nationalism. It's not much different to George W.Bush and co declaring that (we) are either with an amoral Republican/Oil/Military complex or against it, which was equally polarising. I stand by my view that cult-of-personality government (no political opposition allowed, media controlled by force, a single male leader surrounded by obedient 'yes people' etc, as per China, Russia, Belarus, North Korea) is a very bad thing and that such regimes are the primary threat to civilised life.

go to russia then, moron, but don't forget that the police will beat the shit out of you there

@Argos dumbass I'll stay where I want, and I'll create a revolution using young men here and kick you out. FUCK YOU BITCH. xD