Windows is THE STUPIDEST FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT OS ON THE PLANET! All I wanted to do was hook up an HP Spectre laptop running Win11 to a Vizio 60 inch TV. Every time I try to do this it's a crapshoot as to whether it will work. Sometimes, it comes right up as a duplicated display. Not tonight! It flashes for a second and shows the duplicated display, and then it disconnects. EVERY tutorial says use Win + P to select the display mode and it just doesn't fucking work. I've even gone as far as editing the registry to try to make Windows forget old settings. This is BASIC functionality at the end of 2023 and Microsoft FUCKS IT UP! THIS is why I use Linux/MacOS. Because those work every time.

Yeah, I hope I never upgrade to Win11. Sounds like a true shit show.

@Demolishun Come to the dark side. We have c̵o̵o̵k̵i̵e̵s̵ a working operating system.

(No, not macOS. I said dark side, not dumb side.)

Just Switch to Linux. At least when my system misbehaves and I finally figure out why I learn something useful and fix it.

@dontbeevil this. OP you are describing a faulty cable issue.

@dontbeevil 100% sure. Every other machine has no issues. I think it may just be the specific video hardware/driver/OS on this HP. Just maddening that it works fine 50% of the time and totally janky the other 50%.

@NeatNerdPrime Cable is fine. Tried other cables and same pattern of behavior.

It’s my wife’s only work laptop. About 6 years old. Never happening. We’ll just have to buy her a new one at some point.

@Fast-Nop call it dumb side all you want, shit just works. They adopted the Japanese style of working for the end user "we cannot trust the end user so we add as much shit as we can for them" vs the more german style of "the user is expected to know and understand how this works and adapt to it"

Mac systems just work, and I am old enough to want shit just working. For everything else, there is, funny enough: Linux.

@Demolishun it is a true shit show

@Hazarth Linux, making people understand computers since 1991

@AleCx04 and yes, this is a jab at german cars, over engineered items that make most mechanics hate life.

@AleCx04 Yeah, and what you also get with Macs is parts that have natural wear to them soldered in (flash), not replaceable, and at an incredible SEVEN TIMES the normal market price. The markup for RAM is, depending on what you compare, a bit less, maybe five times.

Oh, and when you look e.g. at Louis Rossmann, Apple has an impressive track record of hardware engineering fails - past and present. But hey, the marketing is good.

@Fast-Nop I must be an outlier. Since I’ve switched to Mac (2016), I’ve had zero failures with them. And if I have a question I can get a person to help me via Apple Support phone or chat within minutes. Or I can go right to the Apple Store for help (never have to). With Windows or Linux, I’m at the mercy of online forums, blogs, and videos (or the nonces at BestBuy). Every Windows machine I’ve still got or have bought for various needs has had a hardware or OS incompatibility or issue within one year. Linux Mint just failed due to a hardware incompatibility after a version update on one of my old Windows machines so now I have to reimage it or choose another distro.

@stackodev Among Apple's engineering fails, my fav is the "unibody" scam that was actually stuff glued together with cheap glue that didn't like the warm exhaust air.

Next up are moisture sensors for refusing warranty that already can hit in without liquid, just humid climate. Everyone except Apple users: why are so expensive devices not spill resistant to begin with?!

The whole butterfly keyboard desaster is also nice. Failing at engineering a keyboard. Wrongly chosen power components over several generations is also whacky.

Have a look at Rossmann's videos: https://youtube.com/watch/... (from 5 years ago).

@Fast-Nop Which of these are still issues? Or are they all from 5 years ago?

@stackodev The flash issue got only worse since the M class Macs with their soldering.

For the others, we'll see - but the point is, Apple does not in fact have an established "high quality" track record with their hardware, and neither with their repair/warranty service.

To be fair, other manufacturers have their issues as well, but for premium price, I'd expect no less than premium engineering and manufacturing.

@Fast-Nop the guy that got me to be the most wary about Apple was the dongle guy. Some creator of some type that was exclusively Apple. Then he hit his limit that for every update it was $500 or more dongles to use his existing equipment. He went FULL PC and never went back as far as I know. He was just tired.

@dontbeevil isolated events that applied to only one dude does not constitute the norm. of all the computer vendors out there, the ones that literally give the least amount of issues are apple computers. I am not saying they don't happen. But I find them to be way too isolated to constitute saying that Apple as a computer vendor/manufacturer is worse than say Dell.

@Fast-Nop and yet me and countless others seldom have any issues. How many macs have you owned that gave you any number of issues?

Rossman is fighting the good fight, and I do agree with his points concerning the poor design choices of Apple computers as well as the right to repair. it still does not disprove me from saying that these pieces of shit work, and 9 times out of 10 they do work better than other manufacturers. with full hardware support for their designed operating system.

@AleCx04 When it comes to desktops, it's hard to be even worse than Dell. There's a reason why Gamers Nexus has "better than Dell" as bottom barrel mark for barely passable prebuilts.

Bad engineering is bad engineering. Just watch the video I linked in its entirety so that you know what I mean. For premium products, that is not acceptable. The engineering level of "yeah, it's bad, but it works mostly" is what I'd accept for cheap products.

Stop the Apple gaslighting.

@Fast-Nop You do raise a valid point over there in terms of the pricing.

@dontbeevil Several months ago I spilled soda all over the keyboard of a Mac a client had lent to me for a job. I cleaned it up but figured that it was going to stop working soon. It never stopped working. Doing the same to a regular PC laptop will pretty much guarantee you have to replace it. The right to repair issue is different for everyone. If you don’t know what you’re doing, right to repair is useless and you’ll be taking it in anyway. I’m at the point where I don’t get paid to repair my own shit so I take it somewhere else and let them deal with that. I’d rather do that and spend the downtime doing stuff with my family and enjoying life. I used to really like digging into the hardware but not anymore.

Some folks invested billions in quantum interference sensors to measure what looks like a bunch of random gibberish.
Maybe your windows laptop+tv set could do the same for a fraction of the cost.