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@jestdotty I get paid for building infrastructure for my institution by means of the department to which I belong.
Not to troubleshoot the third party shit that has a team of developers working to develop said third party shit. That is their business, and I do not understand where this would confuse someone.
And it is not "what I think", it is what is stated on my contract. -
@ViRaS you se that.....that is actually fkn genius
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@vane the circle of life eh?
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What do you mean ”you don’t get paid” to help with certain things?
What kind of deal do you have?
Don’t you get paid regardless of if you work on 1st party or 3rd party stuff?
If you spend 50% of your time fixing 3rd party shit are you just gonna get 50% of your pay? 🤔
I get paid for my time regardless of the task -
Simple: Company purchases software that has a development team that installs, has access to the source and thus maintains, and manages the project.
I don't work for that company, so if they fuck up their software: It is not my responsibility to fix it, even if I know how that goes, I am not paid by that company to advise, or otherwise provide fixes to an "enterprise" solution that they sell, we are the client.
I would rather spend 50% of my time fixing OUR production codebases, the ones that WE developed. I am not about to spend 50k in a software, and then fix it. If my institution so desires to purchase software, and it does not work, then that is between them and the vendor. -
@AleCx04 I agree 3rd party vendors should take full responsibility and be slammed when they fail
But just to be clear: if your company asks you to help with bad 3rd party vendors the problem you WOULD tehnicically get paid to do it - so payment is not the issue - you just don’t wanna do certain tasks?
And you spent time silent in a meeting instead of helping
I mean. can respect that in a way.
Just wanted to double check if you legit were paid less or more depending on what you worked with -
I do get the idea of only doing what you’re hired to do - I wouldn’t help paint the walls even if I was told to and got my regular dev salary.
I’m just nitpicking against phrasing like ”if there’s no bling in my account; I ain’t doing it” cause it seems you would get paid your normal salary to do it
(And I don’t see any pay structure where you’d be… what - X% extra for work with 3rd party vendors) -
@jiraTicket ah yes indeed fam, if money was on the table then 100% I would gladly take that off their hands and do it.
But let us say it was the other way and there is no other monetary incentive other than my regular salary. Dev is dev, and you are indeed correct, I would still get paid to fix it. But my thinking is that: my org already spend Xk amount of money in a solution, the solution pays the devs that they have, the solution is not working, they should need to fix it since that was time and money already allocated to them, if they can't deliver then they need to use their resources to fix it. I would not put my projects (for which I have a happy full plate) on hold to fix their mess, it would be then a lose/lose situation for my org.
As such, they screwed up, they get to fix it, and booooy trust me, we paid a pretty penny for their crap. Honestly the mistakes were funny, I am pretty sure it goes above what I originally saw in the meetings.
Watched 2 different vendors struggle to get something going.
I stayed quiet during both meetings, the first, was a misconfiguration error on their project code. They were tailoring the product that they sold my institution, I could see the simple error: key-value settings on one of their json files (it is a dotneto app)
I don't get paid to troubleshoot the code for an external company, so I was silent, knowing full well this would take longer to get done, needless to say, I had originally advised against purchasing this product but was not listened to, very well then.
The other was a configuration issue on the side of a different Java based product, there were some strange XML configuration entries, some other project files that made little sense, but again: quiet.
Department head is concerned about the delays that this might cause and will still not ask if I am willing to help since he knows I A) was against this product purchase from the get go and B) knows DAMN well I will say that I don't get paid to troubleshoot the issues that third party vendors charging us over 100k of product "worth", they wanna spend the money on "enterprise" shit that does not work,they can deal with their own shit programs.
Morale of the story: money moves people. If there is no bling in my account: then I ain't doing it.
Now, I do get paid well for what I do, and for that I do bust my ass, for everything else: there is mastercard.
rant
no money no troubleshooting