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actual help would be nice my bruddah. ive been at this for almost 4 hours now.@navin
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im not sure i follow. They are on the form according to the designer. what's more is, i tested it with a new project, and after 3 - 7 objects, the rest wont show up.@magicMirror
i think im losing my mind.
i swear i placed like, 10 labels on my VB form, the designer even shows it's there! but when i run it for testing it all disappears!
i think i need a break.
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