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    as a human being I would prefer seeing than reading, that's why I stick to windows which has good gui (also I like games lol)
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    @bigworld12 Ah, so you've never used Linux then
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    @inaba I used Ubuntu for a while but reverted back to windows eventually
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    @bigworld12 5 minutes doesn't count, bruv ;)
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    @inaba more like an entire year actually xd
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    @hugh-mungus it's all about them pwa's
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    @dontbeevil This. I mean, at the end of the day, the code you write matters - not what OS or tools you used to do it.
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    @bigworld12 @rEaL-jAsE Which desktop environment is bad according to you? Because there are shitloads of those.
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    @linuswillner I'm not a programmer professionally (sysadmin) but we aren't allowed to use windows in production environments.
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    @rEaL-jAsE Depends, QT applications can be very beautiful, cross platform GUI development :)
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    @linuxxx This thread talks about development environments exclusively. In addition to that, running Windows in production is a ludicrous idea that nobody in their right mind would implement. What I’m saying is that as a dev environment it doesn’t really matter what OS you use so long as you produce good code.
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    @linuswillner No I'm not saying as a server, I mean as a server engineer. Not the servers but the engineers' computers.
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    Just to clarify to anyone still commenting on my rant, I'm referring to my Desktop machine was Windows OS and developed stuff on it for apps/websites/etc. The servers can be anything but had I gone through a Linux OS as my development machine, I would definitely get more done (and less distraction because limited games and stuff).
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    @dontbeevil Heh, of course someone will run Windows in production, that’s the nature of the beast. That’s not to say it’s any better...
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    @linuxxx Oh that way... Then that seems a bit odd to me. Maybe they want the environments to be in sync to minimise potential mishaps?
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    @dontbeevil Again, that’s not to say it cannot work, but using Windows Server is just impractical - Linux is all-round better suited for server use.
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    @dontbeevil Actually, no. I am a Windows user myself - it's my day-to-day OS and I like it that way. I actually like developing on Windows because software support is overall better than on Linux. But when it comes to server-side use, I couldn't imagine using Windows for production. It just feels like shoving a square plug through a round hole.
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    @linuswillner Nope. Purely out of security perspective.

    Boss doesn't want any piece of software to be used in prod which can't be publicly verified/researched for security vulnerabilities or backdoors. He says: how can you provide a secure environment when the tools you use can't even be checked for vulnerabilities or backdoors?
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    @linuxxx Didn’t even think of that. Well, that is a valid point.
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    @linuswillner Same reason I refuse to use windows/mac. The biggest reason I only use Linux and open source software is the one I described above. Especially in a day and age of mass surveillance, zero day exploit markets and backdoor requiring laws, I'm not going to use a closed source system :)
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    @linuxxx ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sure, that’s savvy. Me personally I don’t always bother worrying so much about my programs. Of course I dutifully check what I install, but I ain’t going to pick my code editor or music player apart just so I can see it’s not sending some random telemetry. If there is an option to turn off most or all telemetry, I turn it off. But I’m not going to compile something from source just for the sake of it. I’m not careless nor Richard Stallman.
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    @linuswillner Best example was the CCleaner scandal. Hackers hacked into the build server and slipped in malware. They found out months and months later solely because someone discovered a suspicious connection.

    Imagine if that guy wouldn't have discovered that, would millions more have downloaded backdoored versions? Nobody could inspect the source code anyways.
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    @linuswillner I don't compile anything from source haha. But at least the code of the software I use is publicly available for review :)
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    @linuxxx Makes sense. I also use open source software to a large extent, but some programs are proprietary and I just prefer them over the open source alternatives so I use them.

    The “compile from source” comment came from talking to someone on whose head I could almost see the tinfoil hat, who suggested I should compile some text editor (Can’t even remember which) from source to disable crash reporting.
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    @linuswillner What does a tinfoil hat has to do with that? Those are about electro magnetic waves affecting ones brain.

    If you meant paranoid, first lookup the definition of paranoia, I'm called paranoid a lot but if you look at the real definition, I don't fit it :)
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    @linuxxx Heh, that wasn’t meant literally nor even directed at you. I meant that the person who suggested me to compile the text editor from source just so it wouldn’t report crashes (And nothing else) was maybe a slight bit overconsiderate about his privacy.
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    @linuswillner Being over considerate about privacy has nothing to do with paranoia, that was my only point :)
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    @linuswillner I mean hey, I block Google and Facebook out of my laptop entirely. Also my android phone doesn't have Google apps installed!
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    @dontbeevil I can't be. But I trust it a lot more than software which doesn't have the source code publicly available.

    I did compile some of the programs I use from source but don't have the time to do that with everything I use. Next one is going to be Signal.
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