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So I decided to answer a local recruiter about some local jobs they were headhunting for.

When he asked how many years experience and what my salary was, when I told him, 4+ yrs professionally and $55,000 he said

That's it!!!???

literally said just like that lol.

After doing an assessment and talking with him on the phone he could tell I knew my stuff and wasn't wasting his time.

So am being submitted to be considered by two companies both above $80k/yr, I guess that is going rate for us now a days?

I do have to be careful because apparently people judge how good you are based on your salary (I just found this out)

So having a low salary automatically puts me in a shitty position apparently.

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  • 19
    Headhunters are shit, I eat them for breakfast on a bed of broken mirrors
  • 9
    @karma

    Generally I think so too. But this company is the first one I've come across that only deals locally in my area, and knows what they are talking about.

    It is more of an actual Temp Agency cum recruiter.
  • 11
    I went from making peanuts to ~4.5 times more, which is still low for what I do, and definitely low for what I have to put up with.

    I'm either going to get a raise and a dev team, or leave for greener forests. Literally.

    (Though I'm going to move anyway.)
  • 2
    @Root I want a rant describing this magical 4.5x raise of legend.
  • 4
    80k isn’t necessarily a standard but generally senior devs that don’t live in big cities make between 75-100k. Juniors are a crapshoot. I’ve heard starting salaries from 35 to 65k and more if you had like a 4.0 gpa in college. 100k isn’t unreasonable and you should be making moves towards that goal, keeping cost of living and work life balance in mind. With 4 years in the industry 55k is too low unless you are living in some really cheap area. Some ranter on here mentioned living in the mountains where everything was really cheap making 40k. He was considering leaving cause he thought it would still be better to move to a city. He asked for a raise and got a promotion and like a 55-60k position so he stayed in the mountains which is what he wanted.
  • 2
    Plus if you ask for too much you can always go down. It takes a long time getting raises to get where you want.

    Also slight recommendation of theladders.com they have the most salaries listed of dev jobs I’ve seen. Might help you to get a feel for it in your area.

    Edit 2 there’s also triplebyte which matches you to employers based on coding tests. Never used it personally but I like the concept.
  • 1
    I earn 35k as a frontend dev. Where are u guys living ???
  • 2
    @jeeper

    I would kill to live in mountains where it is cheap and would reduce my salary to do so. My ultimate goal is to get into a mountain community. (Although here it is generally opposite, mountain communities are rich people's playgrounds, so they are expensive)
  • 1
    @Bitwise if I come across that thread I’ll certainly @ the guy here. But yea with mountain communities there is a lot of variation. You want to find one that gets enough tourism to not be super exclusionary to outsiders but not one that is comprised of mostly tourists.

    With this industry you can work in so many different locations in so many different jobs but they are certainly not created equal lol

    @noogli I live in GA, not in the Atlanta area. bitwise is in Texas but moving to Vermont. The numbers I tossed around are pretty average/ median across the US unless you get into living in large cities or California. But it depends on your situation so heavily. But if you’ve got more than a year experience and aren’t getting some kind of other special arrangement, just a standard 40 hour week, 2 weeks vacation, average health ins in the US 35k is too low. Front end has been pushed down a little by outsourcing but you should still be looking to be making at least 60k by the time you hit 5 years exp. if your current employer won’t make accommodations for that then it’s time to start brushing up on interview skills.
  • 1
    @noogli

    Yeah that is pretty low, that is what a Junior Junior would make.

    as @jeeper said it is highly contingent on your area. Everything he says is absolutely true.

    The company I am with knows they lowballed me, they took advantage of the situation I was in prior to going to them. For them to think I would continue infinitely into the future is where they are wrong. I was fully expecting them to offer a substantial raise by now.

    Sadly, they will offer it after I have already accepted an offer to another company. But by then it is too late.
  • 3
    No need to tag, I’m pretty sure @jeeper meant me. I live in MT in one of our college towns. @Bitwise Salaries are very low for the industry because businesses don’t generally base an office in Montana unless some executive buys a home out here and forces the companies hand. I make 55k and work for a 50 person ish company as an automation engineer / one man IT shop. I have about 4 years experience and a bunch of Apple and Cisco certifications. I could probably make 80-100k in Seattle.

    The trade off is that this hike is 30 minutes out the door and I spend my weekends out of cell range.
  • 0
    @Diactoros winner winner chicken dinner 😂
  • 1
    @Bitwise no matter how family like your company may seem you have got to be the one to go up and ask for a raise. I have always lead in with like a ‘wow look how productive I have been’ type deal and if it’s a lot kind of hint ‘think how the job listing would look to replace me’ and ask for 5-10k more than you want cause that’s probably where they will come back at and then you can either just take that or try to split the difference. I always err on the low side, like if you’re 5 k apart instead of going right for 2500 go for 2000. Where as they might have countered at 1250 on the 2500 then you maybe end up at like 1700 they will probably just take the 2000.
  • 3
    @Root Me too. Only a month ago I was making peanuts now I got a job where I am paid 5 times more. And I get to move to a more interesting city.
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