JAVA || .NET
Who is more interesting? 🤔🤔🤔

You can't really compare Java to .NET. Apples and oranges. (You can compare the JVM to .NET, or you could compare Java to C#.)

What are you trying to achieve?

If you mean JVM languages vs .NET languages it really depends.
Java is still powering business, and support for application servers and the JVMs is excellent.
Kotlin is a cool new language which will spread eventually, bit unlike scala is kept somewhat simple and is fast.

.NET on the other hand is not used much on Linux, although C# has a nice syntax.
As a good java Dev or JVM engineer, you can earn a lot of money.

Me, honey 💁‍♀️💁‍♀️

@mampf
I strongly disagree.
C# in my country has over 70% of the market and is paid better.
Not to mention that Oracle is effectively trying to kill Java with Google lawsuits, licensing chaoses etc.

But to put it into reasonable arguments:
- Java is too verbose, something that takes 10 lines to write in Java, takes 2 lines in C#.
- Each C# update improves syntax, reducing the amount of code you have to write to achieve the same results quicker.
- Java is behind with all the cool stuff compared to C# - for example: lambdas: C# had them since 2007, Java had them since 2014.
- Java has no bitwise operations.
- Threading in Java is miserable.
- Java has way better reflection in terms of efficiency.
- C# .NET Core makes it easy to write apps for Linux, but Java is still more common to use on such OS.

You can get rid of most of my arguments if you use a Java-derived language like Kotlin or so, but end to end it just reduces amount of jobs you can find.

@HelloUglyWorld "C# in my country has over 70% of the market and is paid better."

Where do you live? That's rather rare.. most places I've seen (especially in the UK) have a greater share of jobs based in Java, and the pay is usually comparable between roles.

Java's certainly behind on the "cooler" features, but that hasn't affected its real world usage much.

And as an aside, your reasonings are not completely correct - Java has always had bitwise operators, for example.

@AlmondSauce Yes, that part about bitwise operation is what I heard from a vivid Java developer. It's possible that I misheard it or misunderstood.

#edit - can you also point any other arguments that I made to be false? I would appreciate input.

@HelloUglyWorld Sure:

- *Some* things are certainly more verbose in Java than C#, but not everything. (Boilerplate code is a lot more verbose, but the introduction of lambdas in Java has fixed most other cases of that.)
- Java updates also add new syntax (just not at the rate of C#.) `var` is a reasonably recent addition for instance.
- Java reflection isn't particularly efficient either. (It's not really meant to be an efficient thing in either language, you'd generally only use it as a last resort.)
- Nitpick: While you can technically use C# on Linux, in reality, no-one I know uses C# on anything other than Windows in production.

Java's certainly not perfect, and trust me I get more frustrated with it than most! In particular, the Java 11 module changes have brought a *lot* of headache, and pretty much everyone I know is still sticking with Java 8 as a result. It'll be interesting to see how that develops.

@AlmondSauce About .NET in Linux - .NET is not used much in Linux, but since .NET Core, pretty much every code written in that is on Linux.

This is, because old .NET was not natively for Linux, it worked only in Mono.

@SaberCZ Ah really? I've never come across it used in production, but it could be gaining traction.

@stillwater The Java release cycle has changed to every 6 months after version 9.

@AlmondSauce I agree with some bits, but most of these come to personal experience and we should really skip these.

Objectively, I don't see Java getting better in the future, if devs have to stick to old versions.

@HelloUglyWorld Partly. I think the only one there that really comes down to experience is .NET core being used in the real world, hence my note that was a nitpick.

The question as to whether Java will continue to evolve in the future or whether it'll just become legacy is a very interesting one, but not one that can really be predicted at the moment. Both myself and many others would love to have a clear cut answer on that one.

@AlmondSauce Yes, I use .NET Core in Linux Docker, for example in AWS. It works great.

@AlmondSauce That's true - it's too early to predict such things.

I only hope Oracle gets forced to sell Java to someone who knows what they are doing.