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Starting on Dvorak today... Bglj vd ofuv!

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  • 6
    Wish me luck?
  • 4
    @steaksauce I see you speak Dvorak 😁
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    Bless you
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    @dr-ant I've literally never even looked at it. It was a lucky guess.

    I am good at english!
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    Update: 40 minutes in and I know the home row and a lot of top row. But it's such a struggle! I can barely manage 10wpm. Anyone looking at me would've thought I was suffering from constipation.
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    @steaksauce cool cool cool cool.
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    I don't wanna learn writing on that thing for 3 reasons:

    0) Learning curve

    1) Mental collision with qwerty

    2) If I get a job and can't bring my own keyboard I'll have to use qwerty anyway
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    @Chrupiter the mental collision is mind bending. I was struggling so much it felt like holding an infinity stone.
    But I have nothing better to do and if it can help my move fingers less, why not.

    Even I don't have a physical dvorak keyboard. I've just changed the soft layout to dvorak.
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    Been slowly getting into it, but one thing that keeps me from using it is the fact that I type German quite a lot.
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    A geek girl I know uses a Neo keyboard - kinda like Dvorak but much better for the German language. I'm also thinking about switching some time. I mean - the default layout that we all use is just stupid.
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    @mpie Not true. If you can save like half of your typing (or more) it is really helpful and not just fancy nerd stuff.
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    @Semmel yea keep believing that.
    Like your boss or any customer would give a shit. As long as you produce crappy stuff, no other layout will help.
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    @mpie why do bitter, my man?
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    @dr-ant because noone seems to be using common sense nowadays
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    @mpie what would be common sense and who failed you?
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    @dr-ant thinking that using a different layout will save you half of typing, while you type the exact same amount of code. Or did he think programs suddenly runs on half codes ðŸĪŠ
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    @mpie I never said it'll save me half the typing or that I'll have to write half the code. You assumed it.
    I just shared that I'm trying Dvorak. It's fun.
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    @dr-ant i’m not saying that you said it. Read some other comments 😉
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    I hope you have fun learning it! I switched to Dvorak about 15 years ago. It is way more comfortable. Never looked back.
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    @dr-ant good for you man!
    I tried it and loved it but had deadlines and on a rush switched back to my horrible qwerty style...

    Tell me if it's just me but the "rhythm" of Dvorak is just beautiful!
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    Tried learning it recently, but stopped because having all of the vowels on one hand felt beyond unnatural, and led to some real uncomfortable patterns when typing vowel combinations.
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    I also complain about mouse pain..

    Though that can be helped a bit by using the mouse in one hand half the day and in the other hand the other half..

    Just takes years to learn to use as well in the other hand !

    You also seem to need a mouse extension cable too..

    And a large enough desk !

    Ideally you have two mice, so you don't need to move one to the other side all the time !

    Then you have to decide, will your pointy finger on both hands press the same mouse button or not..
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    @Nanos 😂
    Man you always have the quirkiest comments every single time! I never knew hand switching was a thing with mice.
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    @Kaji I like having the vowels in one line. It feels unnatural because of qwerty.
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    @benj thanks man!
    You're not alone. In the practice sessions, some common words popped up and the rhythm was just beautiful. At first I thought I was having some kind of placebo because of everything I read.
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    @VaderNT thanks!
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    @benj I'm going to have to go back and forth between qwerty and dvorak too. There's a real possibility that I'll be left completely broken. Can't qwerty and certainly can't dvorak.
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    ,g;j md pfcv
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    @mpie Dvorak is designed to be more ergonomic than QWERTY. The inventor actually used common sense while designing the layout (contrary to QWERTY, which is literally a random arrangement of letters).
    At least for English, it saves you quite a lot of finger travel as all vowels and the most common consonants are on your home row.
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    @RantSomeWhere wow talking about getting things out of context. “Designs to be” does not mean it works that way for everybody. And than you try to explain what dvorak is or something like that... seriously? You don’t think I know what it is and that I’d put some random comment in here? People need to use common sense! Not that it was designed without common sense.
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    @RantSomeWhere actually qwerty had a purpose too, to slow down the typist. It was designed for typewriters and if the typist was fast the rods would get jammed.
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    @dr-ant yes, you’re right. Yet, QWERTY should have become obsolete with the Remington 2 typewriter, as it fixed the problem.
    @mpie You want some common sense? Some quotes from your previous comments:
    > so overrated, typing is still typing.
    No, it isn’t. There IS a difference.
    > keep believing that
    > no one seems to be using common sense nowadays
    Which would include you, judging by your comments.
    > thinking that using a different layout would save you typing
    Yes, it does. Use _your_ common sense. What layout is more efficient, one that has scientific and physiological principles in mind or an arrangement of letters chosen randomly so that commonly used keys are placed as awkwardly as possible to _slow typists down_?
    > you don’t think I know what it is
    Correct, I assume that you don’t know what it is because you’re seemingly ignoring or unaware of the advantages Dvorak offers.

    Not meant to be offensive, but you’re literally missing the point.
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    Another solution is instead of changing the keyboard layout, is to change the spelling of programming words to be more efficient to match the keyboard layout..

    Me, I'm waiting for that USB human interface unit.. (Hopefully without any spy software firmware..)
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    @mpie ah yes, there goes another “I have nothing to say about one’s arguments, so I’ll just drop an insult or something instead of agreeing/disagreeing”.
    Are you that ignorant?
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    @RantSomeWhere If you don't know what you are talking about, just stfu already. You make yourself look bad. I've clearly dropped my opinion, it's ok if you can't handle that kiddo. Agree or disagree on what? This is not even a rant.
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    @RantSomeWhere didn't know that bit of history about Remington 2. TIL there was a chance. 😁

    Also you gotta ignore the dude.
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    @mpie Your logic is flawed. Of course you produce the same amount of code / text / whatever. But you spend only a fraction of the time and effort typing it. Which is only logical when you check the history of our status quo.
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    I made the switch to Dvorak just before starting a 2 week uni assignment, a few of my classmates were trying it too but gave up in the end. I was the only one who persevered through, and I'm glad I did. After 12 months using it, I don't think my speed has improved so much, but typing definitely feels more comfortable, and it has benefited my wrists, along with a more ergonomic keyboard.
    My tip would be don't try switching back and forth for things that feel difficult or need doing in a hurry. You need to stick with one layout to get your brain used to it. Also be aware that you'll loose the ability to type in QWERTY over time, so you can't use your co-workers keyboards, but it's very funny when they try to use yours...
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    @FuzzBang That's what is bothering me. I'm making progress with Dvorak but I don't want to lose qwerty. I keep switching back and at times struggle with typing in either layout. When I don't think about the layout, I type well in either layout. I am in a weird space right now.
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    @dr-ant I had a similar experience. I decide I wasn't making any progress with ether because doing so mostly just confuses your brain. So in the end I commited fully to Dvorak (I even use it on my phone keyboard) and accepted loosing the ability to touch type in QWERTY. This can be annoying at work when you're trying to use someone else's keyboard. I think it's possible to revert to QWERTY if I needed to, But you can always switch back briefly without the need to touch type because the letters are printed on the right keys. I suggest commiting fully to Dvorak and stick with it as much as possible to avoid confusing your brain. It'll take a couple of weeks before it starts becoming second nature. Just don't do it in the middle of a uni assignment!
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    @FuzzBang haha, thanks for your advice. I have thought about it. I'm able to touch type in both layouts. With Dvorak my speed varies but I can get decent speeds. So I'm not too worried. I did fully commit to Dvorak initially. Now I'm trying to be ambitextrous. 😁
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