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Floydian
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Followup on my previous post: https://devrant.com/rants/2018847/...

shall I purchase it from Ali Express or local reseller, considering the price, delivery time and warranty?

How has been your experience?

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    I personally for myself would have gone with local officially identified reseller
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    Never used Aliexpress, so I have no idea tbh. Standard price should be around ~35$ iirc though, and anything below that is a good deal.
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    @endor We (myself and @gitlog) are combing different products as you can see in the image below.
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    @Floydian that compression tho

    Anyways, @endor after GST it is ₹4446 $63.48

    At AliExpress, it's $49.12 but without original adapter + it may take months to reach
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    @gitlog the original adapter costs $10.38 at the certified local reseller
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    Can't find a "NOOB kit"? Might've some discount over this cart
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    @Floydian @gitlog if you can afford the extra 15$, I'd go for the quicker option and just get started right away; but if you're not in a hurry and want to save money, just go with the cheaper Aliexpress option - an Rpi is still an Rpi, after all
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    @endor what would you like to say about a duplicate adapter?
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    @gitlog idk, I've only ever worked with one Rpi (wasn't mine), and I know the adapter was bought on Amazon. Never had issues with it though.
    As long as it is built to spec (the pi 3b+ wants 2A current output, iirc) and it's not too shitty, you shouldn't have issues with it.
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    @endor @gitlog I never had an original adapter but any USB adapter with >= 1.5 A worked for me, even 1A worked for older models.
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    @sbiewald oh come on... Which model?
    1.5 didn't work for my 3B+
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    @gitlog For mine it did, but it has the kernel mentioning randomly about "low power"
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    @gitlog I think he's referring to the rpi 2 and such - disregard that, previous models were less power-hungry. The 3b+ definitely wants 2A, don't go for less or you'll have issues
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    I'd suggest you get it from the official page.
    If you choose the NOOBS kit, you don't even need to flash the OS yourself.
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    please official store like adafruit etc
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    Always buy Rpi from local reseller or some genuine online shop thats approved by Rpi
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    @Haxk20 noted. Local reseller it is. Could you please advise on adapter?
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    @PrivateGER noted. Thanks.

    I like their naming. NOOBS. For people like myself. Haha...

    Will Pi Hole work on default OS?
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    @Floydian Anything with a powerswitch in-between its cable. Seriously! :)

    Also, yes Raspbian OS will support PiHole for sure.
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    @sbiewald @xewl @endor @PrivateGER @CozyPlanes @Haxk20 which version shall I buy?

    Wouldn't 3B+ be an overkill for my requirement? Money is a concern but I am also looking for future upgrades, support, firmware updates and ofc who doesn't like latest toys.
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    @xewl you mean anything between the power switch and cable?

    Well I got that then :)
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    @Floydian Honestly, 3B+ isn't overkill. You can still run other stuff on it. Go with the edge version, which means less friction and longest support.
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    @Floydian that's also fine, but there's adapter cables available with a switch in it, prevents you from having to pull it out
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    @Floydian You can also get a normal 3, but I would suggest a 3 B+.
    If you intend to run other stuff on it, you'll need the power it offers.
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    @xewl @PrivateGER 3B+ it is then. I guess two apps should work fine on it for half a decade atleast.

    16 GB SD card should be enough along with heat sink. My place is ventilated so I would not go for fan but case would be cool.
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    I've bought mine from The Pi Hut in the UK, although their shipping costs are a bit high at ~£5 to Belgium. In hindsight I might've been better off buying them from Amazon instead. The Pi Hut has an official store over there as well, and AFAIK it's got free shipping (through Amazon's own shipment I guess).

    Try to avoid third-party sellers and kits though, the former usually sell them at higher prices, and the kits are way too expensive for what they're worth. With those you're mostly paying for component selection more than anything else.
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    @Floydian Heat sinks are overrated. Really. My PiHole on a Pi 2 never needed any cooling and I couldn't see any performance drop.
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    @Floydian 5V 3A is whats recommended
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    @sbiewald he lives in Mumbai
    Also, I live close to Chennai

    We are in India
    The Pi will otherwise literally fry
    Even after the sink, I have 55° C as of now
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    @sbiewald the Pi 3B+ is much more power hungry than the 2 though, and I've heard of it thermal throttling when left on its own. A tiny heatsink would not hurt imo
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    @gitlog at my place we've got 40°C at the noon
    And it will continue to increase as it's just the start of summers

    That's what Pi would be generally if you live in Europe or so
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    @gitlog Thank you for correcting me.
    Then a heat sink is rather necessary.
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    Heatsink with a fan might be a good idea too.

    My experience of things with just heatsinks, hardware failure..

    > Ali Express

    Limited experience there, I tried to order one thing, apparently it arrived in my country, but they couldn't find the address, so they sent it back again..

    After complaining to Paypal I got a refund.

    But it took like forever and was not a happy experience !

    So, maybe local would be less of a problem..

    Oh wait, did I tell you about the time I got local, and took it back when it didn't work..

    Then went back again when the replacement didn't work..

    And back again..

    And, then insisted they show me one working before I took it home again..

    5 out of the box units later, hurray, one works !

    Good thing I'd gone local !
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    @Nanos haha so much of experience

    You must be fun at parties
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    @sbiewald I've noticed the same here as well. The ambient air around it makes the highest difference. Enclosing it in their enclosures sure makes it look good but makes for stale air and thermal issues at high load (e.g. media server). But for any low-load environments without enclosure, they aren't needed.

    As @Haxk20 mentioned however, you'll want to get yourself a reasonably high-current power supply, at least 1.5 to 2A I'd say. Voltage should ideally be stable on it across a wide range of frequencies (to avoid that undervoltage warning) but in practice, it doesn't matter all that much. In fact, I'm checking whether the Pi runs on 3.7V LiPo's in the near future. Stability matters more than ampacity does in most cases.

    At high temperature environments like India, a heatsink and a little fan perhaps might be desirable though. The Pi has an average temperature of about 20-25°C above ambient (using my mediaserver Pi 3B as an example, enclosed in The Pi Hut's enclosure without top part for passive airflow, and a small 2x2cm heatsink I got off AliExpress on top of the main SoC, with ambient temperature of about 18°C).
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    @condor 2A isnt gonna cut it and it might reboot after a while. 3A is minimum for stable. 3.5 if you want overclock on it.
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    @Haxk20 I've ran my Pi's on 1A several times and even did some torture tests at as little as 500mA and below (using my lab bench power supply), and it ran just fine. Voltage fluctuations are really the main issue, although the consequences are little more than that red LED going out and that lightning bolt thingy on the screen appearing. The main reason why the power requirements of the Raspberry Pi are the way they are is because of the possibility of people attaching external hard drives to it (which needless to say, are heavy loads). I'd definitely recommend 2A (which is what The Pi Hut's official recommended adapter is rated for), but going beyond that is overkill.

    /edit: Back when I bought my Pi's, it was a 2A supply but it looks like they've upped it now to 2.5A, possibly because of the 3B+ being more power-hungry. I don't have any of those so I can't comment on that.
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    @condor yes im.talking avout 3B+
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