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Manager: Why do you want the promotion to architect?

Dev: I haven't left my comfort zone in nearly a year and I want to have strategic oversight and impact. That and if I have to write any more front-end web code I'm going to fart in your chair.

Manager: We need to establish more of a track record of you handling greater responsibilities.

Dev: That's a really reasonable-sounding way of saying that I need to be doing the job of my current AND promoted self while waiting for you to acknowledge it with the better title and pay.

Manager: I really am rooting for you and the feedback on your work is stellar. Stars just aren't aligned yet.

Dev: I get that there's a bunch of moving parts and I can't force it, but you do realize that this is a candidate-driven market and I can make $20k more a year with the same title by applying somewhere else, right?

Manager: Hey. Careful. Look, I just don't want to look like I'm singling you out for special treatment.

Dev: That's what a promotion IS. Who else has the "stellar" feedback singling them out already?

Manager: Well... Thing is, Rob has amazing feedback

Dev: HOW MANY STELLARS ARE IN AN AMAZING YOU FUCK

Manager: Verbal abuse helps your chances, oddly enough.

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    I call this bullshit “manager speak”
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    "establish more of a track record" is *such* clichéd manager speak. As you correctly pointed out it's a way of saying "hey, do more work without the pay. Go ahead, undersell yourself." It's hard to believe they're still using that, but they do, and expect you to fall for it.

    Don't do it.
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    Office politics hehe
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    @psychocode This
    and @VaderNT this.

    Managers are sales people. They sell themselves and the great job they are doing to other managers, and sell harder work without rewards to you. Often to make good on their sales pitches (read: boasting) to other management.

    That is quite literally all they do.
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    I'm not a native English speaker, so please excuse me if I misunderstood you (maybe completely).

    But are you telling him that you did not leave your comfort zone, did not any impact and did not try to gain any strategic insights but you still want to be rewarded with the Architect title?

    Here where I work you have to work several years (like 8-10 years) to get the title "Solution Architect", and you will only get it BECAUSE you already do the job. In between, there are several career steps to take (Associate Consultant, Consultant, Senior Technical Consultant, Principal Technical Consultant and finally Solution Architect) and you will get a raise regardless of the title (if you're worth it).

    And Yes, as a team lead he has to pay attention not to "favor" you just because you want to be an architect.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't know you, but maybe he just thinks that you should work harder and do not yet deserve the title?
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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    @relexx

    > Associate Consultant, Consultant, Senior Technical Consultant, Principal Technical Consultant and finally Solution Architect

    Sounds like you got dilbert'd hard and accidentally almost drowned in the koolaid ocean of bullshit corporate wants you to tread a little longer while pulling their yachts into harbor.

    SWIM HARDER YOU CORPORATE MARTYR.
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    @Wisecrack fun fact: nonetheless I will not leave any time soon because the job is fun, I can choose my projects I want to work on and the payment is good. The company is not that big, the reason for that career path is that at some point in time we have to choose between a more technical path and a business analyst path. You can still do the things of the other track, but all your trainings, certificates etc will be more focused on that track. And no, my final goal is not "Manager", "CTO" or something like that. My personal goal is to have a huge, positive impact in the company with everything I do, regardless of my title... 😉
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    @relexx

    I used to be an adventurer like you once.

    After a certain level it's all political and personal fiefdoms.

    But I applaud your enthusiasm. You seem very durable.
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    @Wisecrack Thank you! (I hope I didn't overlook the sarcasm now and make a fool of myself...)

    At some point I will probably change companies, but then probably only to try out new things (for example a completely different technical area).
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    @Wisecrack Which political arrow did you take to the knee? 😉
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    They say you must be a politician in office. You must know how gain lots of allies and friends to climb the corporate ladder.

    Some will be afraid because they will think that they will be replaced by you
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    @relexx I was going for one of those Dilbert-esque exaggerated exchanges. If you thought that was a real conversation, then yes, there was a misunderstanding.
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    @zyrolasting Thanks for the clarification. I thought something like that already. 😆 And Yes, you're right: my next level is probably "Senior bullshit manager".
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    @relexx No worries lol
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