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What do you consider “silent, but toxic” signs in a work environment when starting a new job?

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  • 9
    People in general.
  • 6
    Employees talk of no salary increases, special treatment by upper management on selected people and lots of people resigning or hearing about layoffs.
  • 2
    Hateful posters of a past CIO who quit his first day on the job 5 years ago all over the office. your boss is caught up in an MLM and demands you buy products from him. you're the only person who isn't a 3rd generation employee.

    that was my 2nd worst job ever.
  • 11
    If no one is on-boarding you, that's a bad sign.
  • 4
    @rutee07 You guys have an onboarding process?... Here it's mostly lile "Aight, first of May, xyz is coming. Show him the ropes" End of story
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    @gathurian What I mean is if someone isn't even "showing you the ropes". They just assign you a task and expect you to know where everything is or read their minds on what the standards are.
  • 7
    Employees constantly working overtimd and taking pride of it. Even when not getting paid for it.
    During the employment process they are focusing on the companies mission statement or values or whatever while skipping over employee benefits or requirements. Major red flag. Just mentally remove any fluff they give you and focus on whats tangible.
    Mandatory team buildings indicate that hr has more power then they should most of the time. Ill get back when i think of more.
  • 3
    @rutee07 agree on training. Back in the days there were monthly training programs and trainers get some extra money teaching. They removed that too.

    I'd like to also add no company sponsored major events like on Christmas and instead you get a cookie that taste like cake while you see other companies get an event with an open bar, company jackets and Christmas goodies bags or monetary holiday bonus

    This thread makes me want to update my resume :D
  • 7
    @24th-Dragon Yes, "overtime pride". I noticed this pattern in two of the most toxic companies I've been with. The hellhole one that dragged me into depression has a lot of OT freaks and they often shame people for leaving on time.

    One red flag I found in my current company is this dev that told me he was able to deliver his stuff because there are days when he didn't sleep. We eventually hated each other. I refuse to do the same. If he sets the bar of what is the norm, this company can fuck itself.
  • 9
    If you are interviewing to replace someone, it's important to understand why they're leaving.

    ✅ Left for career change, position was not aligned with their interests

    ⚠️ Didn't perform as expected (understand whether the expectations are actually realistic before taking the job)

    ❌ Employer shares medical details (They obviously don't take privacy seriously, and psych/stress related leavers are huge red flag)

    In your first week, casually ask your coworkers about traveling and how they spent their last holidays

    ✅ Varied range of hikers, to workaholics who don't take holidays, to people flaunting their instagrams.

    ❌ Only workaholics, or cynical reactions, or people avoiding the conversation. Even companies with great policies can have harsh social/performance pressure to never take time off.

    Also, I've found amount of healthy plants in the office, and quality of coffee and toilet paper to be great indicators of the quality of the employer.
  • 3
    @iamai My current one is pretty extravagant though. They had an outing in a white sand beach. The Christmas party was epic, lots of give aways and raffle prizes - Nintendo Switch, flatscreen TVs, etc. There was even 100k cash.

    Still, the work is shit and that's what you do on a daily basis sooo. But I can definitely relate when I was still with my cheap ass company. Big four my ass, one barbecue stick per person. What the fuck.
  • 7
    Also check their PR review procedure.

    Helpful, humble seniors:

    ✅ "I feel like this could be made more readable by writing it like this: ..., what do you think?"

    ✅ "I'm have trouble understanding this, can we have a talk to go through it?"

    ✅ Using questions instead of commands, and showing communal ownership of code: "I think we could do x here" instead of "You should do x here"

    Arrogant, rude seniors:

    ❌Pointing out pattern violations without explanations: "This violates SOLID principles, please refactor"

    ❌Personal attacks: "This is dumb", "stupid mistakes", etc

    ❌Too much hyperbole: "Never do x", "Nothing about this is good", "You're continuously applying x"
  • 2
    @bittersweet "Look at Lister fancy post, here! I almost feel bad for commenting vanilla-mode."

    I agree with you, by the way. In addition, it's pretty sad to see how many of those exist.
  • 2
    @Jilano If only devRant had markdown with tables... No, wait... can we get LaTeX support? 😆
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    @bittersweet Ha! To be honest, there would be less abuse with LaTeX than with Markdown!
  • 0
    Seemingly nobody caring, so you feel like just another face in a crowded elevator.

    Also: people being afraid of hard work.
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    When nobody seems to know or care what other people are working on
  • 0
    when the manager who hired you puts down the paper on the day you join.
    That happened to me once.
  • 0
    @Jilano was hoping to be something more specific in terms of culture.
  • 0
    @bittersweet Ohh come out of your "safe space" already.

    If something is dumb, it is dumb. No one will take time to write "I feel that this could be made better" phrase in a PR EVER.

    It's GOOD, or it's "OK" Or it needs work, or it's plentty dumb.

    It's not an insult, but when people do dumb things you need to point it out.
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    @NoToJavaScript I'm extremely direct towards people when it's about behavior or management, but I feel like it's good to use a softer approach when it comes to coding.

    Within a company, there's guaranteed to be differences in skill. If you berate people for that instead of counciling them, you'll create a very toxic environment.

    If someone says stuff like "I don't really care about code quality, someone else can fix that bug", I'll cut out their tongue with a dull rusty knife though.
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    @NoToJavaScript maybe some constructive criticism would be helpful and it would be farless pressuring to the other person.
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