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frogstair
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Dear screw manufacturers

Please oh please
Use more durable materials

Best regards,
frogstair

Comments
  • 1
    Yet to see a screw broken in half. What are you talking about, dude?
  • 8
    @Cyanide every single screw I used in my life got stripped at some point, and had to be drilled out. Also some retard at Apple decided to make zinc screws which broke in half all the time for me
  • 8
    @frogstair Oh.. Apple. Got your point. No further explanation needed.
  • 2
    @Cyanide and everyone else, don't forget them too
  • 6
    @frogstair Yeah. Screw everyone’s screws.
  • 3
    Depending on which materials are combined, you may want to use grease for the threads.
  • 1
    Buy screws from the German manufacturer "Spax". There are good.
  • 5
    are ALL screws garbage though? High quality self-threading screws (саморезы) are purposely made very hard to withstand the self-threading. They’re so hard that they scratch standard window glass easily, especially the black ones
  • 5
    @Sumafu But only for wood.

    "Spax ma fest die Scheiße!"(tm)
  • 2
    @frogstair Apple's ones are made to be like that

    @uyouthe "Can't use no funny alphabet to buy screws, sport"
  • 1
    @Jilano that’s not a comment for you. That’s a comment for frogstair, he understands it
  • 0
    @uyouthe But... What if I want to buy good screws?
  • 1
    @Jilano then make some effort goddamit
  • 2
    @uyouthe you don't put саморезы in electronics though, where they get stripped easily

    @Jilano that's evil
  • 2
    @frogstair Most definitely, but as long as people keep buying that shit, can't do much.

    I'm still hoping for the EU to do something about it one day, though.
  • 2
    @frogstair Speaking from my experience as the person who has specified these things,-- firstly I'm sorry.

    But a bit of explanation: the screws chosen are technically based on their durability and cost. Durability being its resistance to rust and corrosion, not strength. Zinc is not very strong but is very resistant to rust as opposed to cadmium/zinc plated steel. Stainless steel screws are 3-4 times the cost, so it's impossible to justify a few end-user headaches for the extra costs to uppers. Anecdotally you could replace all of the screws multiple times and you'd still be way cheaper than using stainless.

    The screws are capable of withstanding the workload typically expected of them, however; bad-QA, over-tightening, using the wrong bit, or often just re-using the screws too many times leads to this sort of thing.
  • 2
    @gibus And the cost of those screws in a 2500€ Macbook make up how many cents?

    *goes on rambling about butter screws in supposedly premium hardware*
  • 0
    @gibus despite stainless steel screws being 3-4 times more expensive, I doubt it's gonna make a significant impact. Say there is 50c worth of soft screws in a device, I doubt that 1.50€ increase in price if you replace it with stainless steel is gonna make that big of an impact. Especially if the price of the device it's in is 600+ Euro. I still don't think it's justified
  • 0
    @saucyatom I don't know the specifics of a macbook. But what I can say is that it's very easy to say "why can't they have just spent a few more cents?". But then it leads to 'if we upgrade the hardware here, why not just make this component a little more premium so people don't need to worry about this, and over here we should add x to prevent y'. When you look at the product feedback, threaded screws are not as important as more common complaints.

    Again I don't know the specifics, but i'd wager if apple spent an extra $20 to manufacture the product, I don't think they'd upgrade the screws.
  • 2
    Hate when cross screws turns to circle hole.
  • 2
    Usually screws fail because people use wrong or worn out bits, don't push enough while tightening, or overtorque them. Learn to identify Philips and Pozidriv if you don't know the difference yet.

    Luckily torx is nowadays widely used.
  • 0
    @gibus In the model I have had to fight with there are about three screws which are soft as butter. Given the pricing there is little room for anything more premium - what I mean is that I would expect all the details to be on point, that's why it costs 1000€ more than something comparable (spec wise). It's not a budget device.

    Of course Apple wouldn't want to improve those screws, because fuck those that would upgrade their devices themselves (and not but the insanely overpriced BTO upgrade). Since nowadays most components are soldered (afaik, not touching them anymore), there is little need to fiddle with screws anyway.
  • 1
    @saucyatom okay, Apple is just being apple...
    I looked up the kind of screws they currently use in macbooks and these 'pentalobe screws' will strip if you don't have a perfect fitting tool. They've basically taken torx screws (designed to take higher torque) and inverted the design to be prone to stripping.
    It's just so anti-consumer, but I'm not at all surprised.
  • 0
    @frogstair yea but if you sell 1 million MacBooks you spent an extra million bucks in production and almost nobody noticed
  • 0
    @jeeper raise the price by 1.5 dollars, nobody will notice if its 3000 or 3001.5
  • 2
    @frogstair Not quite, the difference between $2999 and $3000 is worth more than $3000 and $3001. Regardless, let's say people didn't notice the extra few $:
    Would they notice the screws? not unless A. it's broken and B. they're fixing it themselves. Is it going to run down sales beyond the potential savings?-- not a chance. So why not just charge the extra few $ anyway AND save money on the hardware?

    Edit: just to reiterate, Apple are actively spending money to stop you tampering with the screws.
  • 1
    @frogstair that’s not at all how modern pricing and production strategies work. @gibus yep. This is so far removed from the real reasons apple stuff is hard to repair. Tons of proprietary chips, and flexing power over companies that want to sell aftermarket parts to repair shops, tons of other supply chain BS
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