Anyone out there like agile but find that project managers make it horrible. It is kind of like when you are having an interesting conversation then a bore comes around and overtakes the cool conversation.

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    That's what PMs are for :)
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    Having any sort of process at all is important, so Agile is absolutely great. Agile is yet another method of putting non-technical people in charge of technical people, so it is absolutely terrible.
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