Asking a developer for an estimate is like asking a doctor how long it will take to perform an appendectomy.

Making that estimate a hard date is like telling the doctor, "We need this finished in 45min, no matter what... NO MATTER WHAT!"

I agree. People who want stories/functions/etc estimated in hours are foolish.

well a estimaion is just that a estimation... you can do the task in that time or longer if stuff fappens

@rage0123 When it comes to PMs, some of them see it as the hard truth and something they use to relay back to the customers.

In my opinion, they should update the customer by saying "Feature 1, 3 and 5 are done and 2 and 4 are going to be taking longer than first anticipated."

As Uncle Bob basically states that it's trust issue if there's adding padding on the front from developers and slicing padding from PMs.

@GinjaNinja agreed dude.. but some of them work by the notion "if i say it'll take to long i'll lose the client"