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sariel84463yCommunicate clearly with your team or project manager.
If you're struggling with the work assigned ask for help on stand-up.
If they continue to give you simpler tasks and you're unable to deliver, maybe it's just not a good fit. Don't take it personally, sometimes round pegs can't fit into square holes.
In the meantime keep your feelers out, make plenty of contacts, and the work will come around. -
@sariel i think i communicated even too often if they say i am not independent.
Thanks.
I actually had intwrview month ago and they gave an offer. Now not sure should i rush ask them if the offer is available. They will definitely aak what has changed, not sure how ro nor lie and respond in best way. Also i did not ask varipus details, do not know if i want it without knowing details. It was easy to get offer when having job -
Maybe check the reasons behind their decisions, maybe you were over ambitious and oversold yourself. Maybe take a step back and spend learning whatever you find stopping you reach the goals, either skill or character and try again.
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@Avimelekh It is interesting about overselling. Actually I did not even ask for the salary - they offered it and I just agreed. Maybe my profile oversold it. I see often companies think that if guy worked many years in the industry, he should be good. But I have also survived over 3 years. So probably if my salary was way too high, I would have been fired after few months.
Really hard to know what I should be working on to improve myself. Like if they say project is too difficult - how to improve my skill on working on dificult project - probably by working on difficult project? This sounded one of the biggest reasons they might not want me.
Should I search for companies with easier projects? Those projects should be probably small then. Also feels like step back. And feels like companies who do small projects have less money, and put more pressure also so that you do faster? -
When the job ad is with bigger salary than I was getting, should I still ask smaller salary, for example one which I was getting?
It is interesting. My friends always ask for max salary they can get, and they never have been in situation when they oversold them. One funny story was - my friend asked for 3k eur, company said they will think because it is high and they offered 2.2k, and friend aceepted offer :) I was surprised that he accepted to reduce that much. Plus in previous company he was getting maybe even more per hour, only that not much hours he had work and overall he did not earn much because of that.
Also I remember few years ago I tried to not oversell myself and asked maybe 1.2k or smth when recruiter probably expected I will ask about 2k and from his body reaction it was like wtf. Maybe I did not get offer because of asking too low. But good, becasue I got another offer much better, only problem I was fired after few years. -
@Avimelekh actually I even asked for few days to think after they gave me offer, because I also was afraid that I can be fired after few months which I did not want. But friends, father especially said accept, I worst case I can find another job with lower salary anyway.
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I am thinking that for me and bad programmers in general is better to remain unknown than known. If they are known, many people will talk about them badly if they are bad. If they are unknown, companies have to try them before really knowing is he good.
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@Angry-dev Salary isn't the reason if company was not struggling, but i have simple rule about salary , i need to feel comfortable even if the number is public. If then number is too small i dont feel valued, if too big i fell over valued and both cases ashamed so always going to maximum is not for me. Maybe their HR could point out which top 5-10 problems pushed their decision, its very difficult to take criticism, but i myself got fired from my second job mostly because of ny hectic behavior and being not organized enough, as i used my liberty to get offended back then, later i understood that i indeed deserved that, worked on my prioritizing and timetracking over 2 years, became extremely organized and although my startup i had to close, still valued expert in the field in my country + enjoying financial freedom of sorts.
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Yea, I was even afraid to ask how my colleagues get because I thought some of them might be better than me and still get lower. I remember in one of earlier companies I asked younger dev how much he earned and I said how much I but he was really better than me, he is now a lead in that company. At that time he was getting 900 eur and I was getting 1150.
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@Angry-dev hmm i didnt notice anything concrete, just abstract that project was difficult and you were not independent. How this independent work was measured, like it is saying to start seeing to blind man. Was your output too prone to defects, was the task complexity too high to you? I believe they just were too stupid themselves to understand the requirements, or interested of training. Cause without concrete feedback its impossible to improve. Hope everything works out for you
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@Avimelekh "How this independent work was measured, like it is saying to start seeing to blind man."
Ok, I do not think they are very interested to answer me more questions. Since there were some talks about independence earlier, so in their eyes I had enough time to ask then. And I think I asked, and as I understood - I am asking many questions, like which solution to make if there are more than one solution to the problem. I was doing so because those solutions where not short like if they take about 1 day or more, I thought discusing which one to choose before spending 1 day should be good. I sometimes used to get stuck with technology but after they said I am not independent, then I started using more interent resourses, most often I was getting help on symfony slack group. So I was dependent but at least in teams eyes I should have been less dependent. -
Also there was that when I need task requirements, I used to ask lead dev, but tasks are created by product owners often, and lead could only guess often, he said communicate with owenrs. I also started doing so. COmmunicating with owners added bit time delay because of timezones, thats why at first I was trying to talk with lead. But I think I fixed that as much as I could.
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Or do you think I should keep asking even after they fired me and are not interested? I am afraid I might even annoy them by asking and then if somebody asks them were I good employee, they would be more likely to say bad things.
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"Was your output too prone to defects,"
At first I was even told that I make least bugs. Like first year or so. Later they stopped telling me this. But I do not think that I had more defects than others.
"was the task complexity too high to you"
as she said maybe project too dificult - that is the same thing as complexity too high I understand.
"I believe they just were too stupid themselves to understand the requirements, or interested of training."
About training - there was some budged assinged before pandemic, but I did not spend that budged to not waste company money, because I did not know how effectivelly I could be trained for that money. Going to random conference which I can watch for free on youtube does not sound like effective money spending for me. At least I would need to know what conference I need to improve my skills which give problems if there is such conference.
Yea, it is inconcrete. Thanks. -
Oh, about independence also sometimes I see only one solution, but since it was again long, like 1 day of work or more - I still used to ask - do they see some better solution. I thought this make sense, because sometimes they see.
Or maybe I misunderstand requirements. I asked colleagues to make sure if I understood correctly what needs to be done, because often task descriptions were not clear. So to not do what is not required and not waste time. That maybe also adds to dependence. Even if task descriptiosn were not clear, for colleagues they were more clear than to me. -
Maybe I should have still talked more to product owners when they are not clear, than to devs. That would have added delay but maybe in devs eyes I would be more independent and its product owners problem if they write not clear descriptions, then they have to explain.
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I am thinking again I will find a job and eventually will lose it most likely if I will not quit myself :( because still really do not know how to fix my issues very well.
Good company refuced my contracting service. Fuck that. And reasons do not sound good to tell - like team did not want me anymore, maybe too dificult project, I am not independent enough, too many fixes after code reviews. This sucks that I do not know how to fix those parts, I have tried. And about too dificult project - how can I do better on dificult projects, I am not sure. There are projects of similar dificulty in most companies. And if projects would be easy, then everyone does that and reward would be small.
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