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kamen69823y... or for people who just prefer it. It's not my thing, but I acknowledge it. Apparently some people like things being shown to them, being taught what's "the only right way" and not being able to customise a lot of stuff.
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asgs115633yThat's a controversial opinion. Though I never liked Apple or their products, it can't be ignored that many backend developers use it and it has become a fashionable trend in the last decade or so
As to how good/bad the experience really is, I don't think it is too bad. Developers wouldn't rush to Macs if it was -
Crismon2363yLet me rephrase. „Only Mac is good to create Mac and iOS apps“
Its a perfectly fine OS to create any kinds of software. I have both developed on Macs and Linux PCs and both work great. Differences are neglectable.
This kind of absolutism makes no sense I would be interested in hearing any valid reason for it. -
kamen69823y@Crismon I read it as "it's only okay if you have to develop Mac and iOS apps", because unlike Google for example, Apple locks you into their ecosystem (whereas with Google you can develop Android apps on all three major PC platforms).
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Nah, Macs are also good for getting rid of excess money once blackjack, coke, and hookers turned out to be too cheap these days.
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In my experience, backend and web devs love using macs. (I’m not talking about myself)
It’s funny how mac users are almost always former Windows users who just like mac more (or maybe hate Windows more).
But the Windows users are almost always the ones that have 0 experience with mac and hate it purely because it’s different and they are not used to it. -
bahua129053yMacOS is a delight to use, and its handling of windows, the clipboard, font rendering, and the seamless(enough) relationship between Darwin and Aqua make it extremely capable. My biggest problem with it now is that Apple's hardware is shit to use(iBook, MacBook) or prohibitively expensive(iMac, Mac pro).
A VFIO-powered GPU passthrough works great, but official support for it from Apple is dubious at best. -
..and web apps. Or any kind of apps actually. Not a fan of macOS but machines are well built.
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Well, if you are given the option to choose either Mac or Win for working with a stack that’s a pain in the ass to work with on a Win (plus, you can opt out on corporate spyware with that choice), it’s a no-brainer. Obviously, I’ve found developing on Linux to be what I prefer, but Mac ain’t much worse to be honest. But using Windows for dev work? Deal-breaker. No thanks.
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OSX is great for the type of user who likes the standard Subway sub of the day on the plain white sub with the default sauce.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
Eliminating options by having choices made for you is a great way to be more productive right out of the box.
But I'm the kind of person who wants half honey oat half sesame with a dark themed eeh I mean dark roasted patty, double portion jalapenos and a 2:3 mix of mustard and sweet onion.
I want my dock at the bottom, my clock at the top, and a very specific set of operating system hotkeys to control things like window positioning, git scripts, docker compose functions, room lighting and music.
Having choice and investing time in all available options is a great way to be more satisfied and comfortable in the long run. -
@bahua
I think he means that while Apple has its flaws, at least it is the only Big Tech company who doesn't seem to view your personal data as a primary way to increase profit.
That is commendable. You can't leak what you don't know.
Google knows what path they're on: The Brain must know Everything. It will tell you what to buy before you know you want it, but will also keep all your secrets safe for you. That clarity of purpose gives them a reason to build a very hardened infrastructure. Google is already at a point where a major breach would completely destroy society -- But, whatever. It will never happen to Google. Probably. Maybe.
I personally don't think Microsoft has evil intentions with Windows, Live Accounts and gathering more and more data, but I do sometimes feel like their ever increasing ambiguity regarding privacy could end very badly at some point -- especially because of the lack of clarity/purpose. -
bahua129053y@bittersweet
Fair enough. I thought the comment was intended to mean that there is no corporate spyware for MacOS, which is of course completely false. -
@bahua in our case, the Windows computers are administered by the corporate IT and hence have all the spyware installed as well, while Macs are not administered by IT by default, but you have to opt in if you desire certain features. Safe to say, I haven’t opted in.
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@bittersweet I guess it depends on how you define evil. If moving toward a global social credit system is not evil. Then the tech companies are not evil.
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@Demolishun I don't think there will ever be a "social credit system" in societies without an extremely centralized government.
Even in China the truth isn't as simple as "The government assigns a social credit score to everyone". That is a simplification made by Western news—The current state of affairs is a fragmented network of systems and blacklists.
Certain cities have their own blacklists for misdemeanors, which are then shared with real estate companies, which then in turn share their data with transport companies, etc.
Of course, politics is involved —dissidents are blacklisted even just out of fear by company managers to lose "credit" as well.
But, as is common with these kinds of things, it's more of an "emergent property of the system" rather than a nefarious dystopian conspiracy organized by a single body. -
But it's not just China, or Big Tech. Any place where lots of data is gathered and shared and bias sneaks into procedures, you see the same result. Not as a controlled conspiracy, but through carelessness, fear and incompetence. The Netherlands has just had a large scandal where large amounts of citizens were placed on fraud lists by the tax agency, because algorithms decided that a non-Dutch sounding name etc was "super sus" as the kids say these days.
Mac is only good for developing Mac and iOS apps.
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