i think it's a waste of time and resources to memorize syntax and other stuff you can google. since we have a lot of material available, we should focus on logic, more abstract concepts, stuff you can't copy paste. well, I think that should be the way in every area, not only CS

You somehow still need to learn syntax.

Not googling every 5 minutes because you don't know how the for loop is written or cases.

You also don't need a language or syntax to focus on abstract concepts or logic.

All logic is the same regardless of the language you use.

When authors of a book write books, they don't first pick the language they will write. They create the story first, translations are done later.

This is the way.

@fullstackchris Where can we get beskar ?

yeah why learn to drive let’s do the f1 racing straight away

@vane i actually think logic is the driving part, because it is the same no matter the car (language).

@darksideofyay logic of what ? of language or behind language or behind operating system ? you have a car and you want to know how it’s build without knowing how to drive it ? then how I explain you how esp works if you need to google how to turn the wheel ?

@vane i don't think you need to know how to drive to make a car, so I don't get that part of your argument.

i think it's fine to know a language, I'm saying people shouldn't focus too much on that, cause at the end of the day it doesn't matter all that much. all the jobs I've had so far I've used a different language and i managed just fine, because programming logic is universal. what separates us from machines is our capacity to think, solve problems. memorizing anything is only helpful if you know what to do with it, and that's what people should worry about in my opinion

@darksideofyay yeah you don’t have to know the whole syntax but you need to know the basics so you can communicate, you have to know what car components are to make one at least be able to describe them without giving the name

@vane pseudo code and logic notation are sufficient to learn the concepts. i think you can just know what a loop or a condition is without knowing any specific language.
my college only taught us C so we could do implementations during our first semester, then Java to talk about object oriented languages, a bit of assembly. the rest we learned online or at an internship or doing homework, cause the professors don't care what language we use as long as it runs.

@darksideofyay so you didn’t learn functional language ?

@vane not part of the curriculum yet. the professors do talk about it in lectures we have during events. since the course is not CS, just something akin to it that leans into a different direction, I'm not even sure they'll add it in the future. maybe if it becomes the standard

"we have internet"

no. we don't. we don't have internet.
we are gracefully allowed access to the internet, by the few richest and most powerful companies on earth ever in history, who actually do have, own the internet. allowed access so far.
until they decide they don't like what we use that access for.

@Midnight-shcode that's not gonna happen, because the working ants can't be too upset or they'll realize the power they have in numbers. the internet is too vital to capitalism right now in so many ways, no company is gonna shut it down

@darksideofyay who said anything about shutting down the internet?

just jevoking peasants' access to it is much simpler.

@Midnight-shcode and I'm telling you that's not gonna happen. people need access to the internet so the companies can keep selling them stuff and showing ads and wtv. rule number one of capitalism: you need a market, people with money to spend. if you don't have that the entire thing collapses. the economy is already too dependent on the internet to revoke access to the lower class