I use arch btw

Ah yes, the first phones that totally didn't cause tumors on one side of your head.

@ostream not quite. It was 1688, and they weren't under influence. They were just teasing and harassing guards near Yauza Gates Square

@Demolishun why? Have the first phones been using radioactive decay for communication? ☢️

@Lensflare While not ionizing, microwaves are not inert and don't just pass through. They can and do cause damage. Cell phones have over the years reduced the power output significantly. The early phones used a lot more power because there weren't antennas on every corner like now. As a result I minimize "head time" and use bluetooth headphones which emit much less power. Of course now my left pocket is getting way more than the rest of my body. But I figure the brain is more sensitive than chunks of thigh meat. I have not delved into the stories about brain tumors, but I figure less exposure is better. I heard about lawsuits, but not sure on result.

I saw a study of microwaves as used in Wifi and the affects on mice/rats. With an exposure of about 15 minutes per day, over a couple months period, and exposed to the mid section of the animal. They found that in females the viable eggs were reduce by half. So the affect in even low powered wifi is not negligible.

@Lensflare I did a quick search and found this modern study:

https://mdpi.com/1660-4601/17/...

Honestly I didn't expect to find that considering how powerful communication companies are.

@Lensflare Ah fuck, this study looks at other studies and says cell phones are fucking up my balls! Shit... (check section of testicular cancer based upon which pocket your phone is in)

https://journals.lww.com/jcat/...

This one is interesting because it says long term studies (10 years) are seeing statistical increases for harm.

Edit: Kind of wish I had not looked. Fuck...

I don’t want to read the links now, sorry.
I guess it’s ok to be cautious and it’s true that we need to wait for long term study results, but on the other hand, I’m pretty sure that a lot of tests have shown that even with higher power output, there are practically no immediate effects on the human body.
At least with those frequencies used by cell phones.
I know that the military has microwave weapons but those use other frequencies and a much, much higher energy.
So, going back to your original statement, there is no way that old phones used to cause tumors or any other harm.
The exposure was very short, compared to now, and even with higher power output, absolutely harmless.

@Lensflare Ah, so your intent is to mock rather than engage. I often make this mistake when engaging with people online. They feign interest and have their mind made up ahead of time. You can lead people to the data, but you cannot make them think.

@Demolishun I don’t want to mock you. I respect your point of you. I’m just not in the mood to dive deep into research right now. That’s why I don’t want to read your links. I wanted to let you know that I have looked up some stuff on that topic in the past, though. So, I’m not completely oblivious or clueless ^^.

@Lensflare I am sorry, I read your comment wrong. I apologize for not thinking about what you said. The irony of self. I thought you were a dick, and acted like a dick. I often question my own sanity, but it is my default to not accept what is presented to me and ask why. So I am sure I get mislead on stuff that way.

Anyway, sorry.

@Demolishun don’t worry about it, pal 😄

@Lensflare Now I am wondering how many times I wrote people off because of miscommunication on my part. lol

Thank you for being understanding.

@Demolishun The most common WiFi frequency is 2.4 GHz. It’s the same as in your microwave, and it merely makes water molecules vibrate, producing heat. WiFi router wave energy is negligent compared to a microwave.

@Demolishun my stepdad was an absolute crackpot when it came to WiFi and cellphones. As a kid I kinda believed it because I had no choice, and later I aggressively denied anything that had something to do with him, including this microwave thing. So I might be biased.

I found Thunderf00t's explanation most compelling and scientific, and it also makes a nice watch bc it's a "busted" video. I like them a lot.

https://youtube.com/watch/...

@kiki Look at the back of a microwave. It says the exact frequency. From what I understand this is the water molecule spin frequency. I think microwave ovens are one of the coolest inventions in the world. I don't have a point in saying this other than it is cool.

@Demolishun for me, the coolest aspect of microwaves is that they are literally everywhere. They produce the CMB and we can learn so much about our universe because of microwaves.
Microwave ovens are cool, too. 😄

@Demolishun
They probably differ by a little otherwise water vapor in the atmosphere would diminish the signal quite a bit. People have been Wi-Fi with huge antennas I think over 200 miles. I don't think you could do that if water vapor could diminish the signal.

@30hrs Yeah, they dont use the spin frequency for other stuff.

I always wondered if there was a bond frequency that could be used to split the particle into oxygen and hydrogen more efficiently.

@Demolishun yes, that’s the frequency 007

scnr 😆

@Lensflare I like my H2O shaken, not stirred.