We have technology to find a black hole 750 trillion light years away from us in another universe

But we don't have technology to locate a missing submarine on the same planet we live on?

Nope. It is gone.

The submarine is substantially smaller than a black hole, radiates less extremely, has a much lower mass and doesn’t float in space without any matter obstructing our view on it.
So, yeah.

Look on the bright side. The Titanic wreck now has another exhibit.

honestly it's surprising how media and governments just ignored it?
There were navies moved for that Malaysian plane

I get the number of people are less but still?

@azuredivay > "media and governments just ignored it?"

I wonder if we're not seeing the private searches going on. These folks are very, very rich.

Buddy served on a sub and he said our Navy's sonar/listening capability is freaking crazy. Like being able to detect a Russian farting in their sub from 10 miles away kind of crazy. That's how he described it back in the 90s, I can't imagine what we can do now. If our guys haven't found the sub by now, they are likely already gone.

It was never a great need to find some small object kilometers under water, where all electrical signals die out(extremely difficult). Software people should really study electronics and material science.

Fun fact: the CEO didn't want to hire 50 year old white men because they are not inspirational. He hired a team of freshers because people with domain experience would have told him shit he didn't want to hear.

Well, on the upside, he is down there as well and hopefully is enjoying the inspiration of his lifetime, something that he might have missed out on had he hired 50 year old white men.

@azuredivay What rock are you living under? There is a large scale search operation ongoing. US and Canadian Coast Guards, US Navy, aircraft, everything. Also extensive international media coverage.

@Fast-Nop didn't he hire someone that told him the sub was a death trap? So he fired this person. Is that what non-inspirational means?

@Demolishun Yeah, he had fired an employee who had expressed safety concerns. I mean, that thing is an uni engineering grad contraption at best.

Who with any maritime experience would paint such a thing in camo grey instead of signal orange? Especially given that even if it surfaces, it has to be found because you can't open it from the inside so that you'd still suffocate? And that's only where the facepalming starts.

@Fast-Nop @PaperTrail heh, I guess only my side of the world has 0 mention of it beyond memes / occasional twitter, I stand corrected then ._.

Which of y'all wrote the code for the nav system of the sub? Was this a Fiver job?

New question on life insurance forms:

"Do you plan on going on any sketchy submarine trips?"

@Demolishun For the code, I strongly suspect... *drumroll for totally random mention*... @Scor's cat.

@Nanos Since the sonar devices have been there for 72h and didn't register the implosion boom, that must have happened already before.

What could possibly go wrong if you fire the employee who isn't comfortable with glueing a titanium ring onto a carbon fibre composite - given the different thermal expansion coefficients and the carbon composites' tendency to develop microfractures and then snap without any warning.

@Fast-Nop stop it with your weird physics and shit. ;-)

Just gonna say, he drew the last "inspiration" of his life.

Definitely don't feel sad for rich fucks that think they can solve their every stupid urge by throwing money at it while ignoring the people who do know what they are doing.

Just hope the cost of the rescue operation is seized from whatever inheritance money they have left.

the memes are brutal:

@CoreFusionX The only one I do feel sorry for is the 19 year old son of the rich fuck. That young guy's cluelessness is relatable. All others had it coming.

The CEO for thinking that experienced engineers are a hindrance. Hint, when we do object, it's for a reason - because we've seen more shit failing than you can ever imagine. The two rich fucks for failing to throw a little more money at it and let some real engineer gauge the contraption. The French diver for failing to recognize that death trap as what it was.

I think I read somewhere that the submersible can be controlled... by a Logitech game controller. If that isn't a red flag, I don't know what is.

@fruitfcker I am actually okay with a sufficiently stout game controller. But not wireless. Wireless is a huge red flag. The whole thing is sketchy. I just have to wonder if they rolled their own controls systems.

@fruitfcker controllers are not a problem. US Navy is using them for periscopes, Israelis are integrating them into tanks. The red flag is, when the passagers have to tilt to make the sub turn (see M. Reiss interview).

Otherwise yeah - they had it comin. The safety concern was raised 2018, he built it this way to avoid safety regulations and mocked people concerned with safety, etc...

@qwwerty I guess he couldn't take the pressure

Btw., looking at the videos with his team, it doesn't really look "diverse". White people galore. So it's not like the CEO was actually woke. His problem with old white men is not white and not men, but old. Ironic for a 60 year old CEO.

What he did here was twisting the message. He chose to look somewhat woke because anti-male sexism and anti-white racism is normal these days. Stressing the age and experience factor too much would have painted the actual product in a bad light - as something made by inexperienced freshers, which is exactly what it was.

But it's not a case of "get woke, go broke" (or, dead). It's rather a mixture of inflated CEO ego and Dunning-Kruger.

@Nanos > "So there was no rush then to find it.."

Oy..so they knew it was recovery, not a rescue.

I suppose the Navy had to keep the truth quiet for the families until the team could see it for them selves.

Wonder how long before the politicians try to use this tragedy in their next ad?

Libs/Socialists: "Submarines have killed more people than cancer! It's time to make common sense submarine laws!"

Republicans: "Submarines are our God given right! Its about time we add a constitutional amendment to protect that right before those evil Demon-crats take more of your rights away!!"

@PaperTrail Not quite. They had registered a noise that would have matched an implosion / explosion close to that place, but that alone is not enough reason to cancel a rescue mission.

Ocean sounds are treacherous. See the 30 minutes banging noises that were supposed to have been signals from the passengers - turns out, that cannot have been the case.

@Fast-Nop so you are implying that the sub builders followed substandard sub standards?

@Demolishun Haha, good one! And actually, they followed no standards because the CEO thought that standards stifled innovation. He didn't understand that standards are lessons learnt from failures, often deadly ones.

@Fast-Nop I went to a dad joke forum and stole that.

@PaperTrail > "Wonder how long before the politicians try to use this tragedy in their next ad?"

About a day.

When asked about the 24/7 media coverage of the sub and almost no coverage of the migrant boat that sank in Greece over a week ago:

President Obama: "democracy is not going to be healthy due to this type of obscene inequality."

@PaperTrail A multi-millionaire ($70M) complaining about inequality because there are even richer people than him - what an irony.

@Fast-Nop it is a good argument for gov regulations in safety critical domain. There are hundreds of thousands planes that do not fall of the sky with this stupid mistake. Then I remember Boing crash of two planes.

@aviophile You can regulate aircraft because they start and land from airports, which are in countries, which fall under the laws of said countries. There's not much use for a plane that must not start, land, or fly over large parts of the world's landmass except some shitholes, but there's not much money to be made in shitholes.

This submersible was only boat cargo in the ports, so there is no ground for safety regulation besides correct stowage, and where it was used, that were international waters where no country can enact its laws. Ofc. e.g. the US could pass laws for US based submersible operator companies, but then you just register the company on the Bahamas.

Now after that incident, not having that stuff certified will probably deter customers, so market dynamics will work. E.g. Triton Subs (Florida) have all their subs certified and will certainly advertise that quite aggressively.