I'm more than sure this already exists. Quick Google found https://discord.me/page/htmlcss

Oh he said "people" 😉

For such long storytelling I'd like to put ++ in a loop.

#require "damn"

@404response no, I haven't yet. No time :D

@AndSoWeCode I'd agree if I worked as a software developer. Think of the case where le me does not develop during the day. Well, I kinda have to "moonlight" then, don't I? :$

@dfox, nice that we meet here. I knew you understand what I mean. :)

What I mean is the difference between *unreasoned* and *indirectly-reasoned* hate. Of course hate against programming languages are always partly reasoned. But some hate builds on top of the reasons being known. For example: I didn't know what's wrong with PHP until a few weeks ago. Until then I only heard things like: "U use PHP? Oh my God, how can you?!". And I'm sure there are many newbies who are afraid to ask why and just feel like they've made a wrong decision.

I just have a problem with the fact itself, that unreasoned hate is around in the dev world. People should make the effort to explain their hate, then there's absolutely no way to get confused and everyone can learn from the others.

No, I'd never say this. As well as I'd never post a comic strip along the lines of "Could there be intelligent life on planet earth? 'I use PHP'. The search continues..."

That's not even hate against PHP, it's against the users. As if PHP users would not be intelligent.
I mean, you show me that that's a lie. You are intelligent, you can discuss with good arguments. And you use PHP, so what's that triggering nonsense in programmer communities about?

@dfox, yes, I'm serious, that's why I asked.

Could you explain to me what the difference is? One thing is unreasoned hate against users of a random programming language. The other thing is unreasoned hate against people of a random religion.
In one case you see the danger of censorship in the other it's already gainst the TOS.

I totally get why hating someone based on religion is wrong. Because there is no reason. But why do you panic when reading that unreasoned hate is generally a problem?

I think our position are quite clear now. But let me ask you one question, so I can confirm I that understand your position correctly:

According to your explanation, is it ok to post the following rant?

"I hate jewish programmers."

[That's not the case for me, just an extreme example that I did *not* find on devRant! Just theory. Don't get triggered.]

A simple yes or no as answer is sufficient.

I didn't know that telling somebody to stfu is an attempted form of censorship. Now I feel like an authority that my "stfu" is valued as such an attempt. No one has to give a fuck about my advise to care about other people ;)

And just to clarify my point too: It was never my intend to advise censorshit. I'm not sure where someone said something like that, but I'm sorry if that pissed anyone off :3
Personally I find those "opinions" extremely annoying, because they lead to decisions like @plusgut made. To not visit a local HS or something alike. I think before someone reduces him/her social interaction (censors his-/herself) because of bullshit, you can seriously tell the others to shut the fuck up.

@dfox, I get your point, but let me suggest that you still take this way to personal. Again, it's not a problem of devRant itself. And therefore idk why we talk about censorship. Your app is a great representation of programmer mindsets and those are not quite... constructive @ all times, you know? :)

There are too few people of your kind kind @plusgut ;)

Don't let them drag you down with their bs. If you choose to stay away from your local h4ckersp4ce because of that, that's a pity but totally understandable.
It's the same in my HS. I take it as a challenge and still visit it every week. If I cannot learn things about programming from people with destructive comments, I can at least learn a thing or two about the social side. How to filter bullshit, to notice when it's appropriate to ignore others and when to shut up, because of an endless discussion with fellas being unable to accept arguments.

Not everyone is like this. But those who aren't just don't make that much noise. They state their opinion. Reasoned. And dive right back into their projects.
Code together with those people! It's the way to go :)

That - btw - is not a problem of devRant, but of programmers in general.
I feel real humbled that you took this as personal offense, @dfox, but this is becoming a rant-ception. I rant about people, who rant without reasons, with reasons. And you suggest, that you could easily inverse that? What? Saying who gives a fuck and obviously give a fuck about this yourself? Get some consistency going m8 ;)

@plusgut described it perfectly. It's not about a pure "opinion". It's about how you show off your opinion.

It just doesn't make sense to me why you should post a rant having nothing more than "lang xy is shit". Well, haha, I loled very hard, but now tell me what is your real problem with this language? Otherwise just shut up. Do not pollute the devRant feed with your nonsense bullshit. These are no good rants!
Rants - IMHO - are long texts about a problem *you* have, becauz of REASONS! Everything else is not entertaining. Everything else doesn't add a molecule of shit to anything. Everything else is just bullshit.

See this comment? I didn't write "people who hate dev languages for no reason should leave this planet". That's bs noone cares about. I described what my problem is and threw several "fuck"s in there. Done. A rant.

What is the name of the book?

Of course it's true. True is true too. It depends on what it adds to your conversation... ;)

@Nelson https://twitter.com/motherboard/...

pornsite*

someone told me™

Sometimes there are reasons why you (have to) use an OS.

The moment you got a problem with software on Windows there are going to be Linux users who point out it's a issue with your OS rather than the software you got the problem with.

4sure™

@ItsNotMyFault nah, I'm not :P

SolidExplorer FTW