@Nanos sounds interesting...

mind that the lower mortality from flu might be caused by the use of masks, isolation and hand sanitizers.

however, if you cross-reference that with the efficacy of said measures... and im sure somone made a paper on that somewhere... if you get the same numbers as for the flu it may be another argument against covid measures.

i posit that if you see a decrease in covid cases despite re-opening, as is often the case, it is because of herd immunity.

so the measures are inefficient to begin with.

https://dw.com/en/...

@Fast-Nop sure, why not even if you'd think an ex-american colony would be better organized but lets not thrash too much moroccan health system.

i know these people (plenty of morrocans in belgium) and once they get into healthcare, you can be sure they are good ones.

plenty of rotten apples but considering how things work back there, the bad ones usually chose a different line of work, like policemen (you usually dont want to deal with them. also weird stuff in the law...)

wouldnt surprize me if it was just a matter of dying within a hospital, and getting the subsequent test and dying in a village.

wouldnt surprize me either if their old ones would be more hardy than ours, but are over reported bc suspect death-> bring to hospital for tests

both could counter eachother... hard to tell from numbers alone...

@Fast-Nop i mean even with a lesser degree of testing, the dynamic is pretty much the same, given that we set the threshold at 50 years age

could cite belgium as a shock argument but its lame.

everybody did better than belgium.

anyways, im sure we would find the same dynamic in germany

my point being: poland is a good representation of the nubers and super spreader events are not statistically significant.

1, bc DW always makes us look bad

2, bc the nature of polish approach to religion isnt represented by a small minority of our people

@Fast-Nop fun fact:

accounting for the population pyramid with 50 years as threshold, i got these numbers:

38% of poles above 50
22% of moroccans above 50

cases/deaths :
m : 524,475/9,217
p : 2,877,819/74,626

it makes for:
m: 0,017%
p: 0,025%

morocco had 0,68 of our deaths
but they have 0,57 the amount of old fucks we have

@Fast-Nop holy fuck 38% for poles over 50

were fucking dying wtf

@Fast-Nop ~30% above 50 for poland, ~20% above 50 for marocco.

yes, there is a difference, but its not an order of magnitude

@Fast-Nop is it?

basically if youre young you dont get the corona,
and if you squint a lil marocco = poland except they procreate a lot more
and seems we had a baby boom at some point
and we have a longer life expectancy

https://populationpyramid.net/moroc...
https://populationpyramid.net/fr/...

@EthanSnowy lel so why you keep reading it?

add something to the discussion or gtfo

dis aint twatter. say actually something or lurk more

@theabbie ^this

@Fast-Nop
1) "muslim countries have a different age pyramid"

yeah in the 30's its pretty much the same.
in europe it might be inflated with the old fucks but it doesnt account for an order of magnitude of difference.

like with marroco:
https://worldometers.info/coronavir...

as for "super spreader events", i have to ways to shut that down:

2) in poland, being christian is like the american pledge of allegiance. you dont do it because you believe in it, you do it bc poland fuck yeah.

and its because fucking prussians forbid us from speaking polish, but the pope intervened so that we could speak the language in the church.

so yeah... superspreader whatever
DW shows us like from the stone age, but you still have oktoberfest so fuck off

we had superspreader events, but those were in the south, bc we still have mines, but even then...

>>>the mortality is independent of the spreading probability<<<<

@homo-lorens yeah, it has shit all to do with developping or ranting but its a way to vent off steam.

which i interpret as a group rant.

and it has to do with developping since venting off steam is common to all walks of life... including devs.

i vote this is a rant.

@Fast-Nop and dont thrash religion like that.
it is a powerfull tool. also by the same logic muslim countries should be hit even harder, but they weren't.

youre just regurgitating what you have been told to think.

also religion has deeper implications than you would believe, especially in poland.

its much more nuanced than what you assert.

@Fast-Nop we had extremely strict measures.
and i believe we're amongst the counties that dealt reasonably well with the coof (lel belgium)

@Fast-Nop by democratic i mean ppl in poland do care.

its even in the law.

our constitution says every pole has the obligation to defend his country. i dont know if its the case elsewhere, but i believe in usa its not...

@Fast-Nop no it doesnt.

and poland is a democratic country, as opposed to the rest of the EU.

check out the story arc of a certain Dr. Didier Raoult.

ex french chief virologist from like 2-3 years ago.
chief of universitary hospital of marseille

france doesnt have such tools of power as the usa for instance, so that whole situation became a fucking mess.

didnt look into in the past few months, but last time i looked, french govmnt is gonna get sued for manslaughter by negligence (the retirement homes shenanigans, just like cuomo in the us)

@MadMadMadMrMim

as i wrote,

as rationnal peopl, we cannot condemn a percieved crime without proving it.

it is sad, but if anything, it will become apparent with the coming of age of the next generation.

bc if there were ulterior motives, the only way to control the outcome is with the vax.

bc thats the only thing you truly control- i mean even the bildebergs of this world could have caught the coof, by accident.
and they dont want that, so if ulterior motives did exist, causality can be established thanks to the vaccine bc its the vax that will be the actual tool.

"create the problem to make your solution desirable"

but you cant control a plague.
a vax, however...

and we will have to wait. bc it could have been genomic therapy, which will become apparent when the next generation procreates.

bc there's a thing called recessive genes, and not everybody is gonna get vaxxed anyways.

fuck, if done really well, it would take several generations to actually take effect

(cont)
...and thats why i say we shouldnt dismiss any theory, as fringe as it might be, given that the actors involved lie and hide information, and that it remains a theory as long as sufficient elements have not yet surfaced.

i mean, what the absolute fuck, WHO?

you forbid autopsies, and the use of hydroxychloroquinine, a drug sold over the counter to end up with giving zinc+vit c, plugging up a respirator and make notes how people die.

its like if you had a confirmed druglord and someone ratted out that also murdered someone.

you wouldnt put them on the chair bc of suspicions, but such allegations warrant all the scrutiny in the world

you dont convict them

@Fast-Nop human body works the same, but political systems influence the availability and quality of information available.

p.ex: if you were to believe the chinese, they had ~4,6 k deaths...

...in a 1,5B ppl country.

also, having the PCR test positive -myeah, but you still get the same mortality for covid- those very symptoms, and that very same immune response.

...a similar mortality...

in the end i dont care if whats causing those is different in cause than natural covid, because in effect these are pretty much the same.

im not saying that the vaccine is klaus schwab juice made for "killing people".

im saying that its a big fuckup. its evident everybody was caught with their pants down, but thats what happens when you tolerate lobby groups (legalized corruption) and you privatize healthcare.

but then it woudnt surprize me if there are ulterior motives behind all this circus.
and if it was done right, those motives will become apparent only in the next generation... (cont.)

@p100sch with the last picture, i was doubtfull.

but now im no more.

women have more fat than men.
and it shows in this picture. men dont have curves, theyre square shaped

if you continue the line of the interior of the thighs you dont have room for male genitalia

you gained some weight since last time it seems

@Fast-Nop friend, im all drunk with cheap ukrainian vodka. im out.

ill answer tomorrow bc the answer needs neurons, which i currently dont have access to...

all in all use your fucking brains bc whats's at play is not our future.

its the whole family's future.

peace the fuck out

ps. im drunk as fuck you wont get much more from me.
next episode: tomorrow (or rather in two days bc the interaction is so fucking depressing sometimes that i have to hard reset with hard liquor)

@Fast-Nop fair point.

but dat rna vaccine aint supposed to become the real thing.
and then someone would have to develop symptoms of pneumo-tracheal whateverthefuck smort name for your lungs rotting the fuck up to get classified as covid...

and then the numbers...

more mortality then natural covid...

without taking into account natural resistance because "coronavirus"-es are cause for bronchitis btw. and SARS.

so yeah. vaccine = coronavirus

i got it twice alrdy so fuck on my behalf....

@Fast-Nop
so, are we talking as intellectuals, or are we doing politics?

ow, my bad, china has slaves, they are called uighurs...

@Fast-Nop
1, how comes 60% of people get it within 2 weeks then?

2, israel has a strong central power and a very tight-knit community (are you a "sayanim"?)
you might want numbers from a more democratic country than china...

except if china had slaves...

@Fast-Nop dont à propos me, answer my questions if you are so sure about those answers

tldr:
dont pâthos me, its an insult.

@Fast-Nop also, since we're at it,

here, have a whiff of this:
https://levif.be/actualite/...

its what we chatted about most recently
even the belgian equivalent of CNN speaks out now.
and dont "i dont talk french" to me.
youre part of the diaspora.
find someone who will translate it to you

@Fast-Nop2 points:

1. youre not supposed to get the vaccine during or shortly after having covid.

2 you get a distribution of more than 60% of covid cases caught after the vaccine within 2 weeks of said vaccination$

im genuinely waiting for you to explain that.

im all for whats true.
you straighten my viewpoint out, im all for that.

fastest way to learn is be wrong.

but this aint it chief.

between both of us, its your turn to provide numbers. and mine to shot those down.

because statistics on complications outside catching covid especially from israel, well, that aint it chief.

wrong statistics, wrong country.