There’s tons of value in experience- sell that.

There’s also a lot of “training” and “wisdom” out there that encourages folks to participate in meetings just to get their voice heard. This is more a selfish career move than an attempt to contribute to the team. Of course the best career move is to get your voice heard and also contribute to the team with meaningful input.

@tosensei oh, that’s very good!

JS wasn’t the solution, it was just the survivor.

@d4ng3r0u5 yes!!!

Yes, bring back ActiveX!!! …
Just kidding, please don’t bring back ActiveX.

I agree in 99.9% of cases. I’ll say that a truly exceptional PM can make a big difference on a project, but they have to be very good. A bad PM will kill a project with unproductive meetings.

I feel like the importance of how static works is one of the most poorly taught things in programming. Even seniors get static data wrong all the time. I’ve made a career out of refactoring PII info out of static members and being called a wizard for doing so. Instruction materials should include static data and static methods so that newcomers understand why and when to use these things…and when NOT to use them.

I don’t know if you experience the same in the UK (I’ve only lived/worked in USA), but a lot of times in the USA, that “much” higher salary comes at a personal cost to you. The more they pay, the more of your time they will expect and the more you will be expected to donate your personal time (weekends, nights, holidays). It’s not always like that, but I’ve had a lot of friends and colleagues leave for more money only to find their bank accounts are bigger but their free time is stolen from them. Some don’t care, but that’s not me. It’s a personal choice.

No joke, browser incompatibilities is what drove me from front end development. It’s the worst.

@salshamz hahahaha!

@dmonkey Yeah, very much agree. I’ve been working on my approach to my managers about this very thing.

@dmonkey I don’t have any titles that indicate I’m a leader, but I’ve become the “de facto” team lead because our manager has something like 40 direct reports and our architects are overwhelmed. I made the mistake of being the guy that figured out how to move a bunch of apps from an old AIX system over to Linux, and so know I’m the infrastructure guy for all platforms somehow. No good deed goes unpunished.

@max19931 Good points, a shift in perspective is what we need as a team. I used to get a lot of joy out of creating software, but now it feels like I’m just fighting frameworks all day long.

Oh that’s my favorite solution - just turn it off and retire the feature/system. The only perfect system is one that does not exist. Kill the SMS feature and bask in the blissful perfection of nothingness.

@magicMirror Hahaha, very true!

@sideshowbob76 Absolutely, if support is an issue, then we have to replace the system.

@magicMirror well put. And that’s my concern. For example, I’m on a team that is rewriting a series of apps that are written in a popular, well supported language into another popular well supported language. It’s not even a company initiative to do this, and has now doubled our support work since we have our application platforms essentially duplicated during this multi-year transition. I’m having a hard time with it.

“Real language” is quite subjective. I don’t like JS, but there are times where it’s the right choice. Are we all supposed to write everything in assembly? Might as well get out our stone tablets because typing isn’t “real”, only chiseling letters into stone is “real”.

I was unaware that there was any other situation available

Put a little whiskey in that coffee and things get even better! Yes, I’m a bad influence.

Shhh, 98% of the shit I get paid to do is absolutely pointless. Don’t tell anyone.

I’ve made some very close friends at work, but that wasn’t the goal, it just happened. It wasn’t via the culture of the company either, quite the contrary actually. We just had very similar interests and loved beer.

They wouldn’t hesitate to rescind your offer if they wanted to for the slightest reason so they can shove it.

I was a C# developer for over 15 years and then my team decided that they wanted to port everything to Java. Going from Visual Studio to eclipse made me almost quit my job. I asked for IntelliJ licenses for my team, and became a hero. IntelliJ is wonderful, and I dare say I like it as much as I liked Visual Studio….maybe even more so. I miss C#, but I can live in the Java world with IntelliJ by my side.

Wow, that tops the worst sql design I’ve ever seen, which up until this day was a table like this: ContactFirstName1, ContzctFirstName2…you get the idea.

@hjk101 hahaha, I like it

Also, I’d say a good leader would have recognized your burnout and would have taken some action. I know it’s up to us to take care of ourselves, but still…where was management on this?

I worked on a project once where a priority level of 1 meant the ticket was the highest priority. Then one day someone invented priority zero. I wish I was kidding.

It’s popular because it survived. It’s not the best, but it was better than Flash, Java Applets, ActiveX, or any of the other early 2000’s UI frameworks/plug-ins that we’re out there. JS is adaptable and flexible enough to survive amongst a sea of UI tech that didn’t have staying power.