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Deepseek fucking all major US tech/semiconductor companies brings a tear to my eye 😊

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    I hecking looove the chinese. Such beautiful slave labor camps 😌
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    @12bitfloat I never said the Chinese were ethical, that's besides the point of this rant.
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    I will wait and see how much of this is stolen tech from other companies.

    edit: also wait to see how much spy tech is built into this.
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    @Demolishun it' so much stolen, if you ask deepseek who created it, it says it's made by OpenAI. They used a big model (gpt4) to train their smaller model. There is a word for that. So, GPT4 did all the reasoning and stuff and says things what makes sense and the smaller deepseek model learned only stuff that makes sense. It has thus a lot of knowledge already what gpt4 first had to think about. That's why it is only trained for 6 million dollars on lower end GPU's. But they did more than just stealing but lost the details a bit. According to some big AI guy (maker perplexity or smth?) it's a big achievement after all. By denying the chinese our higher end hardware they found other ways to do it. It made them creative.
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    @retoor I heard that they might be lying about the GPUs they have because they are export controlled.

    The fishy part is the MSM praising this great breakthrough and how its a chatgpt killer and shit like that. They sound like salesmen for China. How much money did China give the AP to say that?
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    @Demolishun > "The fishy part is the MSM praising this great breakthrough"

    I want to upvote this 100 times.
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    @Demolishun they're just traitors and China advancing is not a thing to celebrate at all. They're all bastards in AI world but if I had to choose between parties I know. But what does deepseek actually open source? Do they really share the huge dataset they paid a lot for using the Gpt4 api? Or will they publish on how they trained it? If answer to both is no and it's just some stupid weights I still don't consider it open. I'm more interested in the development of small models anyway. Techniques used on that will be apply able to big models too. That's why they invest time in the bit useless small ones I guess.
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    @retoor so I just checked and certain politicians sold off a lot of nvidia a few days ago. Weird how these POS politicians know about this. Probably because they are on the take with China too.
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    @Demolishun why, the cards used were Nvidia too.
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    @retoor I think they said they have like 4K, but heard rumors they have 50K. No idea though.
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    @Demolishun I don't know why they would lie about it. Whatever the truth is, it's by sure less than openai did.
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    I mean it's a model. A bigass tensor. Sure it can unravel the fabric of society and bring peril to western civilization, but it can't really phone home in a way that isn't easily detectable from the outside, and neither can it fake its performance.
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    @retoor Deepseek and RISC-V and any other open source technologies that tip the scales of power should be celebrated, the way the US maintains it's dominance is disguising, buying off competition, banning them to use their technology ( like with Huawei )

    Look up things like high frequency trading, where trading firms in the US literally spent millions of dollars just to get a spot as close to the datacenter locations as possible where your stock order is split, making a profit off of your order because they have lower latency than you, this video explains it pretty well
    https://youtu.be/-raK5VyB5xw

    But anyway this is the truth behind the US, the top 1% exploiting loopholes to get rich off of every penny they take from you and the US government covering their asses because "we the best"
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    @UberSalt I mean it's still a black box trained to the taste of a dictatorship so I would definitely be careful with it. I call this level of access open-weights, because it sure as all fuck isn't open-source.
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    I have all the weights for Microsoft Word so I can run it on my own machine provided that I interface with this opaque blob of binary in a way it expects. Long live open source!
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    It's like, the service distribution model has been successfully normalized to a point where we celebrate generously being offered an executable and not a very affordable endpoint. It's so far from open-source that they advertise having used petabytes of sources and not only are the sources themselves not open (available to the public to read as in open-source research), they're not even listed anywhere.
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    Regardless of the technology that powers it, the quality of its products, or even the truth about its processes and suppliers, DeepSeek disproved the hypothesis that "every tech company that sells AI buys directly from Nvidia".
    That is a careful statement - DeepSeek might even be using smuggled Nvidia GPUs. But two things are certain: 1) they are not out there kissing Nvidia's ring (at least not in public). And 2), besides that, they still have paying clients.
    That means that Nvidia is not the only way to AI salvation (according to market analysts, apparently).
    Thus, market analysts correct Nvidia's price to reflect the end of its "omnipresence".
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    @Demolishun MSM does what there sponsors want and I bet china is giving them a lot of money

    Also in the comments there are THOUSANDS of bots all praising china and bashing the US. Happens every time, whether it's a "revolutionary" new chinese smart phone or a "revolutionary" new chinese plane
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    @12bitfloat reminds me of when Apple adds a feature that Android has had for years. The Apple fanboyism is off the charts for the new never to be seen ever feature.
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    @Demolishun Hey, at least that's all natural ignorance
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