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@retoor
"What's it like in the mind of a genius?"
I am always amazed that they buy the genius stick. Isn't it obvious how incoherent he is?
Good examples of DL and DR. Thanks retoor -
@retoor
I couldn't believe you're more wrong. I believe that you and this opinion is exactly what's wrong with democracy. Politics are not fun, they are an obligation. The price for freedom is eternal vigilance and all that shit? Yea, being political and speaking to as many people as possible about your opinion is how the vigilance works. Not being a silent sentry in the dark.
Reference my earlier rant about it: https://devrant.com/rants/12873301/... -
@TrayKnots She's not American - why should she care about the parties involved there other than for entertainment.
That does make me want to ask your opinion on discussing politics, do you want to talk about policy or party?
@retoor all I know about "genius" kids is they either become a recluse, die young or are excommunicated -
@BordedDev
She is perfectly allowed to not care if she
a) has no influence on her politics and will not talk to people who do
b) the politics are completely independent of things affecting her.
For the above statement, someone with the right to vote is a person with influence.
Since politics does swap over to other countries or affect common good e.g. the climate, currency values, trade, etc, she is obligated.
Obligation grows out of the wish to live in a democracy. I'd immediately forgive someone who actually wants to infantilize themselves. I also do not take that person serious anymore and will ignore them. Or more likely, not believe them.
And the big misconception: Democracy does not require you to vote, it requires you to talk.
Anyway, party or policy? What kind of question is that? Whatever you encounter a thought about or have a thought about is fair game. -
@TrayKnots
> Whatever you encounter a thought about or have a thought about is fair game.
Of course, I was just curious, since numerous places/people boil it down to party.
Honestly, I think by looking at foreign policy like entertainment, it makes it closer to your goal. It lightens the topic and means feelings don't really get involved (the big reason people avoid it) -
@BordedDev
That's an interesting thought. I see the logic in it.
Hah... I will dwell on this though. Quite a bit.
On the one hand, that's actually great.
On the other hand... Does it reduce the importance of speaking your political mind if it is just entertainment?
But, good point. Really good point. I have to think on that. -
@retoor
Yea, I think like a comment or two ago, I wrote that the big misconception is that democracy is about the vote. It really is not. -
Hey everyone, I want to showcase today a master class in divisiveness.
The topic, the white house has just reacted to the "Elon is not elected" allegations. Explaining in a "civics lesson," that only the president is elected, the rest of his staff appointed. A good point, on the surface.
But also, a master class of divisiveness. From both sides.
May I introduce our characters: We have Smart Left (SL), Dumb Left (DL), Smart Right (SR), and Dumb Right (DR).
And me, Tray, your omniscient (read, unreliable) narrator.
Scene 1, act 1 - The left side:
SL enters stage, below him a crowd of DL.
SL: "Elon is not elected!"
Tray: "SL was not malicious, he did mean it. He knew how government works. It is but an ironic jab, pointing out his believe Elon having more influence over Trump than vice versa. Looking down at the DLs, they did not understand it."
DLs take up the chant: "Elon is not elected."
Act 1 Scene 2 - The right side.
DRs irritated about the accusation.
SR: "It is called an appointment."
Tray: "SR is aware what SL meant, however an explanation is warranted for DL. Yet, is it already misleading not to point out that SL knew? The original accusation remained unanswered. That doesn't mean it is correct, nor incorrect. It only means that it is most advantageous to not draw attention to it."
DRs chant: "Lefties need civic lesson."
Act 1 Scene 3 - The left side.
DLs: Outraged about being lectured at.
SL: "Of course we know about appointments, that is just a straw man attack."
Tray. "SL is aware that many of their own do need a civics lesson."
DLs chant: "Straw man Trump, straw man Trump."
Act 1 Scene 4 - The right side:
SR: "The accusation of straw manning is insulting. They make claims and do not stand to them."
Tray: "Also here a malicious act. They could explain their original target audience. But they do not want to give an inch, not admitting a point the other side made.
DRs chant: "Straw manning left. Straw manning left."
And that's the drama in 4 scenes. We are at scene 2 right now. But that's just a single act. The original accusation was not debated. Neither by L nor by R. The accusation was always dominated by the chants of those who carry the the prefix "D" in the name. "S" doesn't speak to "S." "S" only speaks to "D." Has to be, they have to react to the loudest.
It is in the nature of democracy. If all of our voices are worth the same, then bigger clusters of voices are more important. We should not assume that truthfulness and scientific rigor will prevail. After all, in human's evolutionary history, science and engineering was hampered by people and only developed to this degree because the environment positively selected for it. After all, being correct is a survival advantage. Democracy does not select for being correct, but for creating the biggest unity.
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