unpopular opinion: I hate WordPress!

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Popular opinion amongst my colleagues. We wont even touch WordPress these days.

Yeah it's kind of a special tool, it can be hard to bend to your will... or you know debug.

I hate php in general. I have used php for 3 years

only ever heard beginner programmers talk about how much they love WordPress. most devs won't dare touch it.

@macleod well someone must be using it. Are none of them devs?!

WordPress is not so bad, legacy code aside. It's the accessibility of PHP and extensibility of WordPress that leads people to write the crap code that gives it a bad name.

There's some fine coding being done out there by the likes of WooThemes, then there's spaghetti junk by some dude in his bedroom. As with any platform/framework there are people writing professional code and people writing complete gibberish. WordPress might have more than it's fair share of code-tards but that doesn't negate what the professionals are doing.

I would much rather build everything outside WP but time is money and most projects are quite simple and suit the ease at which WP can be deployed. I get my geek on for the unusual projects that come my way, the rest put food on the table and just need to be done well and done fast.

But you go ahead and piss all over others because they're not using the one true way as deemed by you.

/rant

I work in e-commerce and we develop WordPress shopping soft.
It's not as painful if you don't stick to WordPress code style, which gives devs a cancer. We went PSR at the beginning. We wrote extension so it's quite standalone. It requires just few things from WP.

Those in thread, that's super anti-wordpress:

What's your working/employment/hobby status? And if employed, how often do you do small projects and what stack do you use then.

And if there's anyone that's actually self-employed/sole proprietor, I would love to know what your software stack looks like.

@ardinent I'm employed. We build smaller websites in Laravel reusing a bunch of CMS packages that we've developed. We aint in the cheap website market though.

Thanks @PiranhaGeorge. Would you mind explaining the 'small' website categorisation?

@RemeJuan are you self-employed/sole proprieter? And how long if so?

@ardinent Sure, our smaller websites normally have pages and a blog with all the trimmings. This stuff is all reused, so the project is primarily design/branding.

@PiranhaGeorge, not often very custom functionality, different layouts, etc. ?

@ardinent We do custom stuff more often than the smaller stuff. We charge by the hour for everything. Most things are cheaper to add to a framework than to deal with Wordpress and its eccentricities.

@PiranhaGeorge Sorry, I meant, small jobs with custom functionality. But thanks for the explanation.

@RemeJuan. If it's a small business, with less than 2 employees, small budget, wanting to set up an eCommerce store with some custom functionality: Would one be able to provide this with the framework modules as @PiranhaGeorge mentioned?

Not sarcastic, genuinely interested

@ardinent eCommerce on a small budget! Never! It's a recipe for disaster.

@PiranhaGeorge: Thanks for the explanation. Understand the difference in opinion now.

I just feel it stands in the process of entrepreneurship. It's almost like saying to a kid they shouldn't start with a lemonade stand but rather go find a VC before they attempt anything.

@ardinent If someone wants a lemonade stand they can use Amazon or ebay.

I have WooCommerce clients that haven't outgrown their Wordpress websites, make a decent revenue, have satisfied customers, have been running for more than two years and were never charged opportunistically. I.e They paid for their websites within three months of selling online.

If at any point they feel the need go to 'larger scale' I can help them find a provider like yourselves.

@ardinent If they want to rent space in a department store or supermarket they use SaaS.

@RemeJuan Totally agree with your last two paragraphs.

@ardinent I think the main point is, there are other tools, that aren't nearly as prone to security flaws. Sure if you're using vanilla WordPress, and you update your php version and version of WordPress religiously, you may not have issues. People don't use WordPress to use vanilla WordPress, they normally use it cause it has plug-ins x, y, and z. And that's where the dangers begin. For a long time, WordPress plug-ins with vulnerabilities were commonplace. Today there are better tools. But it takes time to learn and/or develop frameworks that fulfill the same requirements, but do so more elegantly and efficiently than WordPress did.