In programming world most company doesn't care about degrees anyway.

Interesting.

I mean what good would a programmer be if they have 0 practical experience.

Still sucks they'll prob want 12 years of experience for a junior role

Good. It was a stupid requirement. The only thing that should matter is what can you do. Can you demonstrate that you have the desired skills in the interview? Nothing else matters.

@SukMikeHok https://techrepublic.com/article/...
See this, you'll not get a Job there anyway

I guess they are reacting to the fact that the academic industry in the US is right before a bursting bubble. More and more students realise that getting some $50k or so into debt isn't worth what you are getting out of it.

Don't kill me if this comment seems uninformed. But I feel colleges if their going to charge the down payment on a home, they should at least remove all the useless degree paths...

Like I was talking to someone yesterday and they said there's an Art History Major....WUT?!

College degree requirement for tech is ridiculous anyway.

@Holyfield3000 why not, if your parents are rich and you want to have that degree just for the lulz? College freshers are adults and have to make their choices about their lives. Freedom includes always the freedom to screw up.

Although that degree even might be useful for becoming antiquity dealer.

@duckWit i can, and I also have a degree. At the end of the day I would say that it does matter. The belief that school is complete bs is just overplayed and beyond edgy

The dudes at Rhigetti? Or the core developers for tensorflow? What about the developers working at NASA or Tesla?
All have degrees, phds, masters, you name it.

I wouldn't trust a dude that completely disregards education. Of course you have to take education into your own hands. But there are some talented motherfuckers teaching. Its like martial arts, yeah, one can fight pretty well on his own without formal training, but if your ass had bruce lee or fucking mcgregor teaching you how to blast a niukka into high skill I guarantee you would be better.

Suuuure you can code my dudes, but the motherfucker that busted his ass at school and learned by himself will at the end of the day have higher qualifications than you. You can have it all homies. Shit ain't mutually exclusive.

That is definitely not true. Only if you apply as the janitor or so but you will never make it in those companies unless you can show some kind of degree. I don't get why people think they are able to do anything seriously without a college education...

@AleCx04 I never discounted the benefits of school. I am against the practice of screening candidates simply on the basis of not having formal education. There is a big difference.

@duckWit

It's about dismissing applicants who never have been trained on doing the job.

@BilboSwaggins school has nothing to do with that. "Trained to do the job" is based on the person's abilities and knowledge, at least, in the world of tech. If you dismiss applicants before they can demonstrate that based on wether or not they have a formal degree, you're going to miss out on a lot of talent.

Also worth mentioning, I've turned away people with a Masters degree in computer science because they couldn't pass the interview.

in my country, not having a degree when applying to IT jobs seems to actually HELP you, because everyone knows the degrees are shit so if someone knows enough to apply for such position and doesn't have a degree that signifies he learned all of it himself meaning he is very passionate about the subject

@BilboSwaggins and that's strange, isn't it, given that Gates, Jobs and Zuckerberg lacked degrees when founding the companies. No degree is fine for janitors.. and CEOs?!

@Fast-Nop Thats just 2 Guys. And they just had ideas and a little knowledge. Anyone who lacks a degree is free to climb the Forbes Top 20 List. The remaining 99.99% of people may then be insufficiently qualified for broad range employment.

And btw, Jobs and Gates aren't devs.

@Fast-Nop yeah, but those dudes were at Harvard or similar prestigious schools.

Not kaplan or some shit.

@BilboSwaggins I count three guys, but the point is that guys without degree found companies that suddenly require degrees for everything important.

@BilboSwaggins to be fair, Jobbs wasn't, Gates was tho

@AleCx04 Gates and Zuckerberg were at Harvard, but finished without degree (failure). Jobs was at Portland and quit after the first semestre.

Now try to apply at either of these companies with such a CV.

Still tho', how can you say you learn all you need all by yourself? You don't even know what all is, as no one ever told you.

And those guys started when CS was not the science it is today.
Aristotle never attended college, he learned everything from another guy and today nobody would take a self taught physicist seriously.

@Fast-Nop its not a failure when the reason you dropped out was the successful campaigning of their respective companies. And my point was that dropping out from a low tier community college is far different from an ivy league institution...specially if the reason is that yoi are starting a successful business

I'm from Germany. Here it is no billion dollar industry and no company would hire non degree devs and I think this is a pretty good things as it ensures a certain quality.

@BilboSwaggins Germany is also ramping down. These days, half a degree is enough, compared to 20 years ago.

but they care about social skills and ability to communicate and work in teams which u learn in uni

It has never been a strict requirement to begin with. I worked at Apple without a degree. And yes I was a software engineer. I've gone through the interview process with Google in the past like 2 times. And they were well aware I had no degree. It may be something they mention in a JD but it's never been strictly enforced. I know a lot of people who have worked at Google with no degree.

Google use to be super strict about degrees and higher education. But it relaxed that policy well over 10 years ago

@Fast-Nop Thank you. That is what I said for years.

@BranDev Well, don't wanna offend you. But I don't get why anyone, especially at such companies would hire a guy that can't prove his skills. Because, how long an interview might be, you never make sure the person has the knowledge of a whole degree.
Coding is easy, anyone can learn it. Computer science instead HAS to be learned at a college you just cannot learn it on your own.

@BilboSwaggings The thing is that most companies don't need computer scientists, but developers. But they refuse to even look at anyone, who has 'only' an apprenticeship and has probably more experience with real world applications than a freshly graduated student. And complain afterwards that they don't find any good apprentices.

@Dekatelon Maybe those companies want people that have a deeper unstanding of that thing called computer and not people who type keywords. Because that is exactly what makes projects fail and creates bugs in programs. People without proper education that claim to know everything.

Honestly I think that the degree it's an assurance that you have a certain detailed stack of knowledge in that sector. When you do an interview without a degree and you are a code monkey and fall off on a math problem, i think you deserve to loose the job opportunity.

Can they drop asking for gender and ethnicity first? Because degree mean he has some knowledge and experience which need for the job. But gender and ethnicity not reveal anything anout his ability

@Fast-Nop
I don't know others. Gates dropped from Harvard, you need to be good in order to get in...it's a really misleading example to encourage students who enrolled in 3rd grade colleges to drop their degrees.