using a built-in terminal in vscode instead of your custom dedicated one is like buying your phone from a carrier. Or like marrying your first gf/bf and living with them together without ever trying to date someone else first. Or getting your sprite from mcdonalds.

I have no opinion on that but that’s quite funny ^^

And you never knew long context in the terminal until you did.

For me it works - my prompt and all my command line tools are the same as anywhere else (with just a few keybinds being different because I need them in VSCode), and I rarely ever need to see more than two panes at once (for which vertical tiling works well). The "bonus" is that I don't need to switch context to another window or monitor.

This is me. Alt tabbing every time gets on my nerves and i dont feel line rice-ing my terminal.

Carrier phone - bad

Finding the love of your life first try - great

Sprite from McDonalds - the best sprite there is

VSCode integrated terminal - honestly very good

What's your point?

It's just a terminal, and it's right there. For five years I wouldn't run a proper calendar because I didn't want to use Google Calendar to avoid overly depending on one company, and none of the others were convenient enough to just record things as they came up. Then I grew up and realized that if something is adequate, it being right where you need it is also an advantage worth considering.

doesn't it just default to your systems default console...?

if not: another one in a long list of reasons why no sane person should use vscode

@tosensei Is there an IDE that embeds the system terminal in its layout rather than a custom one? Is that even a thing desktop apps can do with each other?

I don't mind the built-in terminal in VS Code, it works fine for most things. But I once tried to set up a custom one inside VS Code and couldn’t find a single clear video on https://www.youtube.com/ showing how to do it properly. In the end, I just switched to using an external terminal where I have more control and less hassle.

@lorentz is there an IDE that _doesn't_? seriously asking.

i know that jetbrains IDEs do this.

and in the end: every desktop app can do this, because a console is literally just an input-stream and an output-stream (plus some optional nice-to-haves)

@lorentz Haven't heard of that, but it doesn't make a lot of sense either. Trying to integrate a whole external app (that's probably not meant for that) sounds like all sorts of things waiting to blow up. Instead, integrating just the command line seems to work - VSCode does that, the JetBrains IDEs do that, and for stuff like vim/emacs I guess it's just about either emulating the command line through the editor or opening a non-editor pane because stuff is already running in a terminal...

@kamen yeah that's why I'm asking @tosensei, every IDE and text editor I ever used either opens a new separate window that you have to position manually, or uses a custom built-in terminal emulator (which then follows the system's shell configuration, obviously) that can be embedded in the IDE's layout. That's VSCode, Eclipse, Visual Studio, Code::Blocks, Sublime Text and Atom.

@tosensei Wait, you mean the shell, not the terminal then? VSCode's built-in terminal also opens the system shell if no other program is specified. What else would it do?

Well done, we are discussing a scenario that none of us can even imagine, let alone believe.