Hmm, What could go wrong with allowing mediocre programmers to police good programmers?

Some of the core contributors are already leaving Linux behind.

https://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/...

All tech people just need to learn to be "assholes". I for one learned that in the last few years: Yes became "put it in a ticket if you really want it", today became "when I get the higher priority stuff done" and "this could be a security issue" became "Look at me creating extra database tables, defacing your page and executing commands on your system."

We need to become more assertive towards those who have come to expect silence even in the face of insults. Rise to become BOFHs.

And to the crybaby SJW's: Being white and male does not reduce the amount of work I need to get something to work. Practice does, and every good Dev dedicates a huge amount of time to learn and improve her/his craft and skills.

Coding is equal for everyone, if it's too hard for you, go get some practice.

And a security hole in your program is not sexism or white privilege, it's something you have to fix.

And gender studies people can go to hell. Or work at subway.

@JKyll these past few days, news are not very good and pleasing.

@cursee rather unsurprising but it still manages to boil my blood, I honestly fear reading it all because I know my mind will push me to write another fiery rant tantrum rant about it, so sad.

I honestly hope Linus comes back from rehab and fucking reverses the Code of Conduct.
I'm fed up with the political correctness bullshit.

@ilPinguino I hope they all die. 😡

Out of curiosity, which core Linux contributors are leaving the project (genuine question)?

@brano88 @bootleg-dev http://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/...
Some guy named Rafael Avila de Espindola apparently. I don't know him, but he seems to be an important contributor to the llvm project with apparently over 4.3k commits to it over the course of 12 years. That's the danger of the social justice warrior movement that I've been talking about earlier @bootleg-dev.. this is it. We need to be assholes more often. Because being an asshole will offend those SJW's, but they'll stand powerless against it. They do not defend the values that they claim to defend, just like IS doesn't follow the standards of the Quran that they claim to. IS are not Muslims, and SJW's are not fighting for social justice. They are offended and disrupting everything they can, just for the sake of it.

@Condor Well but OP was talking about, and I quote: "Some of the core contributors are already leaving Linux behind."

I was not asking about LLVM.

Edit: So disregarding any opinions about this topic, but what OP is doing is spreading misinformation. And either he is uninformed and just ignorant or he tries to intentionally spread misinformation.

@bootleg-dev But that's what the linked article talks about. Reading stuff helps sometimes. And it's something that happened right after Torvalds left the Linux project too. Maybe that's what the SJW's wanted? To cripple the development scene? But a question that I've asked countless times but never got an answer to.. what for?

Edit: also it isn't fake news. Not only reading the OP's links, but also the link to the mailing list that I've mentioned to you.. it really helps sometimes!

@Condor No, the article (and the source phoronix article) talks about a high profile LLVM developer leaving, it has nothing to do with the Linux kernel.

@bootleg-dev LLVM isn't a part of the Linux kernel, but the kernel, bootloader, init system and libc being so intertwined that they can't live without the others, they are related. Also do you really think that a fucking ambiguity between kernel and whole operating system makes something fake news?! Give me a break dude.

@Condor You know Linux (the kernel) and U-boot use GCC to compile. Linux is not even able to compile with clang since it uses GCC specific extensions.

When someone says that "core contributors are already leaving Linux behind", with the context being the recent Linux kernel drama. What assumptions you make?

1. Some core Linux kernel developer is leaving the project

2. Some high profile developer from another (unrelated to the Linux kernel) project (which happens to be somehow Linux related) steps down.

1. or 2. ?

@Condor Also even if you assume that by saying "core contributors are already leaving Linux behind" you mean the whole ecosystem, it does not even make sense in the context of the LLVM stuff.

Because the LLVM developer did not say he is leaving Linux behind in any way as well. So even if you spin it both ways, it makes no sense.

@bootleg-dev I assume 2, and interpret statement 1 in this context as such. No need to make a big deal out of such things though. Heck, I have autism and I don't even interpret shit as literal and tunnelvisioned as that. Kudos to you sir, you just gained the achievement of someone with autism calling you an autist. Fucking hell! CONTEXT MATTERS FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

@bootleg-dev I would literally slam your head to another SJW's if I was able to. Maybe that'll cause a few brain cells that are responsible for social innuendo to reactivate in there. And I thought that I was bad at these things. The more you know!

@Condor No shit, context matters, that's why no sane person would assume 2. when someone says "Some of the core contributors are already leaving Linux behind." in the recent context of events.

But whatever, if you really assume 2. then so be it. My assumption is that in the context of the recent events people will interpret it as 1., which makes the original statement misleading.

Also making jokes with autism is too edgy for me ...

@bootleg-dev

How stupid do you have to be to even start such a pointless conversation? Point is - a good programmer and a important figure is leaving anything that has to do with Linux behind - because a bunch of SJW nutsacks feel like bullying the community into accepting a COC.

If the snowflakes spent 1% of the time they dedicate to bullying people into actually programming, who knows, they may become decent at it.

:)

@feroza It's not pointless because it's this kind of disingenuous statements that do not help any cause and instead just lead to misinformation.

Also "anything to do with Linux" ... the fact is, that a good programmer left the LLVM project a few months ago.

This has nothing to do with the Linux ecosystem (especially in the context of recent events), you could make the argument that it is about the general open source ecosystem. E.g. "core contributors are already leaving projects" ... that would be true and not misleading.

@bootleg-dev but the issues from SJW's do help any cause and don't lead to misinformation? That's a new one to me.

@brano88 FAKE NEEEEEEWSSSSS!!! Because it doesn't align with my beliefs!!

@Condor

1. Whataboutism. This was not up to debate when I asked which of the "core contributors are leaving Linux behind"?

2. Don't try to put words in my mouth. Nowhere I made a statement about my opinions on SJW's.

@bootleg-dev it seems pretty clear though. You may be surprised to hear that while my ability to understand social innuendo is limited, here it seems crystal clear. Also in what sense is asking a question - has the SJW "community" ever contributed anything to the communities that they supposedly fight for - what-aboutism? Out of curiosity, what is this what-aboutism even? I've never heard that word before. Made up, just like all the other claims of SJW's?

Edit: before you go ahead on the what-aboutism, yeah yeah I've looked it up already. Discrediting an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

I'm only asking a question.

@Condor

me: "it's this kind of disingenuous statements that do not help any cause and instead just lead to misinformation."

you: "but the issues from SJW's do help any cause and don't lead to misinformation?"

If this is not whataboutism to you ...

Also regarding my opinions on SJW stuff, you won't believe me, but it might not be as crystal clear as you think it is. You could probably infer some of my real standpoints on this topic from my comment history, but I'm pretty sure you do not care (and you should not care, after all it will be wasted time).

@bootleg-dev But that still doesn't answer my question.

@Condor Oh it's this bullshit. Besides the fact that this is a pretty biased question, I have no interest in answering it. Why? Because I'm not here to defend SJWs, big surprise, I know.

Or lets say it that way, it looks like you consider everybody a SJW, who is not on board of your knee-jerk reactions to the recent events. (This includes more than 5 rants by various people preaching the end of meritocracy, making provocative pull requests in the cpython git repo, etc.)

@bootleg-dev Ah yes, I'm a bigot, I'm a bully, I'm an asshole. And I am biased. Full disclosure about my political beliefs: I am for the most part left-wing. The parties that I'll be voting for are Groen in Belgium and the Pirates on the European level. But I am a bigot, despite thinking that migration and inclusion of people regardless of religion, race, ethnicity or sexual orientation is amazing and to be encouraged. I also think that the environment is something sacred that should be preserved. This has multiple times been reflected in my previous rants which condemn the littering of old batteries into nature, where I take the fucking things home with me. To make an actual fucking change, instead of fucking with a bloody fucking Git repository for "muh equality". How's that for fucking change?!

"You give a kid 30 cent and think you sponsor somethin'?
I feed a village by myself nigga Compton comin'
Purge"
Great song indeed. Purge from The Game (https://youtube.com/watch/...). That's how I feel about SJW's. Make a fucking change my fucking ass!!!

@Condor Well I never said you are a bigot, and if you think I implied that, than you might have the wrong idea. Also I do not care about your political views or your views on littering for that matter. I told you what I care about and I told you what riles me up, and if you try argue that this was not the case in the recent days here, than so be it.

I'm pretty sure the pull request was to stir up more drama (and maybe make a statement). Or are you so out of touch that you really thought that the pull request would start a productive discussion or even get considered for a merged?

Also don't start stating how this is censorship because they closed the pull request ... (because if you don't realize it, I'm not trying to defend the Python developers here).

@bootleg-dev Of course you don't care. Why would you? I could've just posted http://antirez.com/news/122, but that'd miss out on an opportunity to tell you how I personally feel about all this, and what my position is in all this. On paper I am disabled (Asperger), but do I like people preferring to give me the job because it ticks a PC box? Fuck no, I hate it.

Do black people care about white people saying the word nigger? Fuck no. They use it among themselves all the time. Are they offended because people go out of their way to not use the word and instead "African American" or whatever? You can bet your ass that they are. And linking it to slavery (oh dear I said the forbidden word!!!) because yeah, totally every black person is a descendant from slaves. Of course they are. /s

Same thing goes for master/slave terminology. That's why it's been met with such a public outcry. Something which I've explained to you many times already. Are you really that dense to still not get it? What's the point of all this outrage. THAT IS THE FUCKING POINT.

As for my pull request? It was just a revert of PR #9100 so if mine was offensive, we can safely stretch that to PR #9100 as well. Which brings us back to the public outcry. Any further changes that I've added to the repo like calling it Snek in the title and linking to the Change petition are not merged as far as I know. And my public statement in the README.rst was added afterwards, after seeing the issue being immediately closed without any conversation, which is to be expected after the silencing of certain comments (reasonable but not endorsing this change, i.e. everything that I and @JKyll talked about multiple times). Silencing of comments, let that sink in for a moment. Censorship in the name of political correctness. How is that possibly a good thing?

On a different subject.. I kinda expect you to avoid this question just like the others.. but what do you actually fight for? What is the point you're trying to make?

@Condor this can be turned into a rant itself and I totally agree with you, but sometimes it's not use to fight SJW's, sometimes it's worth to speak out for the people who they are trying to convince.

Censorship is their Ally but sunlight is the best disinfectant, don't expect rationality from social justice.

@Condor I only skimmed through the reply, because I really don't care about your opinion on those things.

But what really riles me up is when people are spreading hysteria (this includes all the recent rants and recent actions). And no, Linux will not go down the shitter, Python will not go down the shitter, the same way that Django (and other projects who let "SJW" and CoCs into their communities) did not go down the shitter. I get it, you are probably afraid (and correct me if I'm wrong) that all those nice open source projects will become infested SJW heavens and you will not longer be able to use it for whatever reasons (code quality, etc.). Hint: they will not. If you want we can check back in a year or two and see how Python and Linux are doing.

And obviously then there is the thing with the misinformation. Like the Avila stuff, I can't prove if it is malicious intent or just pure ignorance what OP said here and the one point about Avila which you had in your other rant.

@Condor Also I was actually only referencing the pull request for reverting #9100, the only reasons I see for it is just to create more drama, and as mentioned, you for sure did not expect to anything serious to come out of it.

So if you want it summarized I probably "fight" against knee-jerk reactions, bullshit hysteria, (slippery slope) fear-mongering, misinformation and the common circle-jerk.