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Bad day for Linux, new Code of Conduit try to end meritocracy...

https://change.org/p/...

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  • 2
    How so? The CoC basically just says don't be a dick and if you act like a dick you may either get a warning or (depending on how much of a dick you are) get thrown out of conferences

    I'm not sure how three short paragraphs without any content is supposed to make me sign a petition
  • 3
    🤷‍♂️a change.org petition with no reasons to actually change a code of conduct other then “we don’t like it”.

    I have nothing against your efforts, but I need more then that to be convinced.
  • 2
    @inaba the charity doesn't do a good job on explaining how evil this CoC truly is. Take a look at this, he summarized it pretty well imo
    https://youtu.be/pwn3gIipCjU
  • 1
    Because only 6 out of 10 heads of Linux Foundation agreed to it? If that doesn't scare you remember that Linux core is on GPLv2, if someone is kicked out that can take the code they have wrote...
  • 4
    @Awlex I will not watch a 20 minute video when after 4 minutes and 30 seconds the guy doesn't get to the point. That you link me a video makes it seem rather like you haven't thought much about it yourself
  • 3
    @wojewda I asked what parts of the code of conduct that you took issue with. Their Pledge, Standards, and Responsibilities are basically just "don't be a dick". The scope of that is whenever you represent the project and community. And finally the enforcement is pretty much just the same but worded differently
  • 1
    @inaba If you don't have the patience to watch the first 5 minutes, I don't think you'll read my opinion . The thing is, I and the guy from the video didn't prepare a script and just let our thoughts flow.
    https://devrant.com/rants/1784604/...
  • 1
    @inaba

    Knowing how it worked for other projects (https://linustechtips.com/main/... sums it up pretty well if you skip the personal part) the phrase: "making [...] our community a harassment-free experience for everyone, regardless of age, body size, disability, ethnicity, sex characteristics, gender identity and expression, level of experience, education, socio-economic status, nationality, personal appearance, race, religion, or sexual identity and orientation" makes it half way to exclude everyone who is known as impolite or intolerant in any way. Why do you think Linux is off the project now?
  • 0
    @Awlex I don't have patience watching 5 minutes of somebody not getting to the point in a video. Your post does not make it sound that great either since now it basically just sounds like he hasn't thought about it. And quite frankly I prefer to read about stuff like that since not only are things like that better expressed in text form, it's also a lot more easier to think about what is said (or in this case, written)

    @wojewda but avoiding people like that is a good thing, especially when your project is as big as Linux is, is it not? Will check out your link in a few hours when I have time :)

    And (I'm assuming your talking about) Linus isn't off the project, but on a break
  • -1
    All a nondiscrimination policy does in a code of conduct is let an organization publicly enforce things that they're likely already doing, but in public instead of via secret blacklists and whispered warnings.

    If the org wasn't using a standard process before, this will make things more consistent. I assure you, they were enforcing parts of this for a while, it just wasn't formalized.

    That said, I'm not super read up on the exact implementation here, but I haven't seen anything objectionable in the reading I have done. If you've got some subsection you'd like to suggest, I'm all ears.

    I'm seeing a lot of people getting bent out of shape-- if senior folks are really, genuinely harassing others, why are you protecting them? Both technical and ethical merit matters. If someone, for example, doxes someone online when they get mad, do you really want them being trusted with your personal data? I sure wouldn't.
  • 1
    CoC is pretty legit guys, especially when one of the toads responsible is already calling/attacking one of the board members that voted against it a 'rape apologist.' Love the hypocrisy.
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