We are already in the Windows 11 era but they still didn't fix that thing about choosing "update and shut down" and it restarts instead.

Yup, happens 50% of the time since Windows 10!
A nice display of the incompetence of MS and many fucks they give about their customers.

MS Dev: We have this bug in Windows since Windows 10 and it’s still not fixed in Windows 11!

MS Executive: Yeah, so?

MS Dev: Well we should probably try to fix it.

MS Executive: Does it cost us money to keep it broken?

MS Dev: Well, no but…

MS Executive: Will it make us more money when we fix it?

MS Dev: Not exactly, but…

MS Executive: Then why the fuck are we talking about it? Piss off!

I'm fairly certain a report about that exists in their bugtracker... w/ the lowest priority possible && maybe a comment similar to: 'Just so we have a record of it, but don't care about a fix for this one.'.

/jk... maybe.

@Lensflare That sounds like a very likely conversation.

Is it possible that (one of the) update(s) require(s) a restart regardless of the option chosen?

@asgs it's very possible, but sometimes, after restart, it forgets that user originally chose to shut down. They shouldhave remembered it as a 'flag', they should eventually shut down after a restart or two.

Yeah completely gave up on that since Windows 7.

Windows 8 even caused 40 min longer downtime because I could not use my laptop during an incident. That was the reverse of this problem with the big updates (basically a full reinstall of the OS). I selected install and shutdown. It did shutdown but only did the prep for the update. So the actual upgrade was happening during the next boot🤦

From what I read up about it, it's what @asgs said. The problem that after the restart it clears the flag for shutdown because they think the best default is to restart instead of shutdown...

@daniel-wu except "sometimes" is actually close to 50%.

@Lensflare That's a bit unrealistic.

In a big grown-up company like MS, the dev would have to go through at least two committees to talk to the executive.

@donkulator yeah, I know. Big companies are explicitly structured in such a way that the peasants at the low levels (devs) can never directly talk to those in higher levels.

In the company that I work for, when the project that I was working in for 4 years got cancelled, me and the other devs of course wanted answers. But it was literally impossible to get them. The higher ups have decided. You don’t have a say in it. And you don’t even have the right to ask them why.
We got a tiny little bit of info through a chain of connections, but that was it.

I’m convinced that at MS it’s much worse than that.